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Could it be a message in a secret code only revealed on a website that is password protected by the ghost of Alan Ludden?
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Isn't the password to all secret sites "Dai Vernon"?
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What would your one word Password clue be for the answer - "Dai Vernon"?
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Professor?
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Yes, did someone call me Professor?
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Didn't he used to be on Gilligan's Island along with Mary Ann?
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Dai Vernon was on Gilligan's Island?
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You mean Lovey was a man?? And that man was Vernon??
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Who else figured out Lovey was really Dai Vernon?
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Didn't they have cut silhouettes on the back wall of their hut? Was that a clue?
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Or a dead giveaway?
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Who is giving away the dead? Who would want them?
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What condition are they in?
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Wouldn't they be in similar condition to a doornail?
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Why are doornails more dead than other nails?
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Isn't that a very good question?
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Do you have a very good answer?
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How about this answer?


(The middle of the last paragraph is very interesting)
"Dead as a Doornail" is an ancient expression: we have a reference to this dating back to 1350, and it also appears in the fourteenth-century work The Vision of Piers Plowman and in Shakespeare’s Henry IV. Another expression, of rather later date, is as dead as a herring, because most people only saw herrings when they were long dead and preserved; there are other similes with the same meaning, such as dead as mutton, or dead as a stone.
But why particularly a doornail, rather than just any old nail? Could it be because of the repetition of sounds, and the much better rhythm of the phrase
A close-up of an ancient studded door, with a heavy door knocker.
Dead enough for you?
compared with the version without door? Almost certainly the euphony has caused the phrase to survive longer than the alternatives I’ve quoted. But could there something special about a doornail?

The usual reason given is that a doornail was one of the heavy studded nails on the outside of a medieval door, or possibly that the phrase refers to the particularly big one on which the knocker rested. A doornail, because of its size and probable antiquity, would seem dead enough for any proverb; the one on which the knocker sat might be thought particularly dead because of the number of times it had been knocked on the head.

But William and Mary Morris, in The Morris Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins, quote a correspondent who points out that it could come from a standard term in carpentry. If you hammer a nail through a piece of timber and then flatten the end over on the inside so it can’t be removed again (a technique called clinching), the nail is said to be dead, because you can’t use it again. Doornails would very probably have been subjected to this treatment to give extra strength in the years before screws were available. So they were dead because they’d been clinched. It sounds plausible, but whether it’s right or not we will probably never know.
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Do you have anything longer?
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Isn't that too personal too ask?
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