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Dan Bernier
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On 2011-09-07 12:47, J M Talbot wrote:
Agreed Radmak. Gospel Dan I understand the point you are trying to make but the big diffrence is that people are not typically on the payloadz or other sites looking to buy magic... Theory 11 has a much better chance of delivering "motivated" customers and there is definite value in that.


You don't have to be on payloadz to shop for magic. They actually help you market it by giving you google adwords. I understand the branding part, but you have to be on Theory11 to actually find the downloads, limiting how many people view it. What payloadz and other similiar sites do is use keywords and metatags along with google ads to advertise your products. In otherwords, you are not just on Theory11 website, you are all over the net.
If it's about exposure, you will get far more exposure using payloadz than Theory11. Again, it seems the only thing that might be a benifit is the branding name of Theory11.

Payloadz offers you more value and exposure. You can link to any site, and even advertise here to sell your downloads. With Payloadz you have complete control of your product, and you can advertise anywhere.

Theory11 will not get you more exposure, but I suppose branding will be the only reason I suppose. Which is kinda sad because Theory11 traffic has been down, as well as the ecomomy beeing slow, I don't think branding is worth 40% either.
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I love Morelli's Scribble and Trojan Change...
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Balloon trick by Michael Kent looks awesome!
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A lot of you guys have obviously never sold downloads on other people's sites. Smile 60% commission is VERY good.
Dan Bernier
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Actually I have sold downloads on the net before. The highest I had to pay was 15% but the services they offered was a lot more than just hosting it on a website. 15% got me a whole lot more than what Theory11 is offering. All Theory11 is doing is hosting it. They don't mention anything else. I would like to know how sales are being tracked. I'd like to be able to view the sites traffic. I want to know how many people are clicking my product.

I understand the branding thing, but I don't understand how everyone is trying to say this is a good deal. I seen competitive sites, and none of them take 40% commission, not even ebay. Please show me one download hosting site that takes 40% commission or more, because I couldn't find one.

Does it have Automated delivery of your digital goods immediately after payment?
Can I sell anywhere online, or just with Theory11?
Does Theory11 have secure File Storage on their Server?
What kind of payments are excepted?
Is there an affiliate program?
Is there download tracking?
What happens if m,y trick is rejected?
What's the limit of GB storage space I'm allowed?
How are my downloads protected from appearing on torrents?

60% commission to anyone who goes into this blindly I guess is fair enough. What I am saying is that there are services out there THAT WILL get your download exposed, offering much more service for far less commission than what Theory11 is offering. What is so wrong with being a smart shopper and shop around the competition first. Theory11 won't even let folks know what their traffic record has been like. I can bet that traffic to their site had been declining just like most other magic sites.

However, after watching a few demo's I will leave any further opinions about this to myself. Those who are serious about selling their wares will find much better ways to sell their downloads. Think about what 40% can buy you. With Theory11 all you get is your download hosted.

I don't have a hate on for Theory11, I just like getting the best deals for the best prices, and this isn't it by a long shot. Sorry.
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Dan, just sent you a PM. I would love to know what other magic sites offer better deals. Smile
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60% is very good, I sell Ebooks on some sites and 60% would be VERY VERY good.

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Dan, you are comparing apples and oranges, or more specify, fruit and apples.

The other places you're referencing, like eBay, are non specific markets. The only fair comparison would be sites offering more specific hosting services, like video download hosting, or ebooks,or target specialty markets, like magic.
Both of which can offer, potentially, much higher returns.

If you know of sites that offer something like the above, for a fee of 40% or less, then I'm sure most would love to hear about them.
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Elmwood has a very good offer too, T11 isn't the only ones out although T11 does offer a great service with the wire.
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Hey guys, Lyle here from theory11 interactive. The Wire has been a huge project for us and something very new in the magic community. As such, there are lots of questions and a few misunderstandings about the Wire. For now I will address a few questions I have seen here and will entertain questions you have not yet asked.

Does it have Automated delivery of your digital goods immediately after payment? Yes, just like any theory11 digital product.

Can I sell anywhere online, or just with Theory11? - You retain all rights to your submission and can sell it wherever you please.

Does Theory11 have secure File Storage on their Server? - Of course. We live off the secrets of our magic. We make sure it is protected.

What kind of payments are excepted? - Just like the rest of theory11.com, all major credit cards.

Is there an affiliate program? - Not at this time.

Is there download tracking? - Your artist dashboard will keep you up to date on your trick's statistics.

What happens if m,y trick is rejected? - Just about nothing. We send you on your way.

What's the limit of GB storage space I'm allowed? - Not completely sure on this. I will have to get back to you.

How are my downloads protected from appearing on torrents? - Using the same system the rest of theory11 uses. There is never a foolproof way to ensure this never happens, but we work hard at it.

I hope that this helps a little. Hit me up with any questions you may have.

L
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I should have an effect releasing on the Wire soon and have some answers to some of these questions.
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Dan Bernier
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Thanks lyle.borders for taking the time out to answer my questions.

gdw, I will admit that I was indeed comparing apple to oranges.

Cameron, I wasn't referring to other magic websites when I mentioned other sites with better rates. As gwd pointed out, I was comparing apples to oranges. Smile

I would like to apologize because after browsing through the downloads, I purchased "Repair" by Michael Kent. Absolutely amazing popped and restored balloon trick that I have ever seen. The method is ingenious! This is a very workable effect that I will be using a lot.

P.S Michael is a very funny guy, and was enteraining to watch and listen to him explain the workings behind "Repair".

My apologizes comes of the fact that I should of just kept my mouth shut, (other than asking questions) until I knew all the facts. I think The Wire is a fantastic new service offered by Theory11.

I've had a chance to browse the other downloads and I am very impressed with what is there. I see the benifits of having your downloads hosted on a magic site, especially like Theory11.

Dan
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I'm sorry Dan, it's just not often you see that, especially here, lol.

In the mean time, I'm gonna flip the tables and play devil's advocate. I think they mainly just have their "primer" downloads up, that is, the one's they had gotten ready for the release.
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I've really liked the downloads that are up. The new tricks are really great, even after the primer ones.
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On 2011-09-12 04:31, emyers99 wrote:
Balloon trick by Michael Kent looks awesome!


Thanks man. Not trying to be a tease, but it's one of those tricks where the method is even cooler than the effect. You'll wish you could do the trick, then show them how it's done! lol
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Really amazing to see this idea turn into a fully operating machine. Original new tricks coming out everyday and from new talent from around the world. Definitely think this a fantastic platform to see the "latest and greatest" in magic.

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