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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Its a bad idea though. A stunt that should be binned. Would you want someone to make you eat an onion or lemon?
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C.W.G. Loyal user 275 Posts |
Good point MP.... But the thing is, does it have any after effect if they don't realise they are doing it?
Would they afterwards be saying, did I really do that and not react? I've seen a hypnotist make a woman laugh and cry... at the same time. Now THAT, I wouldnt agree with. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Onion breath is the only after effect. Unless they have an allergy to onions. NOt sure if you heard the anecodte - possibly in Derren Browns last book about Andy Nyman. They were sitting round discussing hypnosis when Nyman wondered if maybe it was ossible to just eat a raw onion without reacting. He went into the kitchen got one and reappeared a few minutes later. Crunch. No reaction.
A lemon is a more impressive effect in my view. "I've seen a hypnotist make a woman laugh and cry... at the same time. Now THAT, I wouldnt agree with." What is it you don't agree with Finny? Anthony
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C.W.G. Loyal user 275 Posts |
Hi Anthony,
Yeah I read what your saying about the oninon, Derren was trying to make the point that a highly motivated person can act the same as a hypnotised subject... For a guy who uses so much of hypnosis, did you think he was trying to make the point that it was all complience? Whats your view on that one Anthony? And as for the laughing and crying thing... When I saw the girl crying she seemed genuinly distressed and I thought to myself, she came out for a nights entertainment, not to have her emotions thrown around the place to make mr hypnotist look good. Plus, what had to go through her head to make her cry?... |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
No I definitely do not think it is 100% compliance. The anecdote I mentioned proves nothing, just thought I would throw it in
I do not think she needs distressing thoughts to go through her head to make her cry. Especially out of one eyeball. Equally they do not need funny thoughts going through their head to laugh. They are just laughing. They are just booing. Anthony
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C.W.G. Loyal user 275 Posts |
Sorry, when I said what do you think of that, I was hinting at is Derren trying to throw people off thinking that he is using hypnosis more than he lets on which is why I said "for a guy who uses so much of hypnosis..."
The laughing thing I could agree on but for me, it would be much more difficult to produce tears for no reason, and even so... I still wouldnt say it's a fun thing to perform or pleasant viewing for their loved ones in the audience. But to be fair, I think almost everyone will have some issues with different acts in hypno shows, that is just one of mine. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Some people may have problems with their stomach.
Making anyone eat something they wouldn't normally is taking a liberty. Nyman doesn't suprise me. That doesn't mean to say you won't get a reaction from someone else. A lemon is even worse in my view. I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me. And would be ****ed off if they did. Ive never liked the ionion as apple sketch its a stage hypnosis cliche... Quote: On 2008-04-16 02:14, Anthony Jacquin wrote: |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I wouldn't do any age regression or even pretending to be children sketches. Its just not worth the hassle that may come from it.
There is debate that if you tell them to pretend to be children they won't regress. I personally would stay away from any regression pretend or otherwise. More for my own protection. Things are quiet at the moment in the Uk. But it wouldn't take much to get the anti brigade back in full flow. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
The thing with this one is you don't know. The mind and body are linked. Physiology will produce an emotional state as an emotional state will be expressed through physiology. The third element in this is the internal reps (thoughts). Its possible if not likely subjects will access thoughts and feelings through being asked to produce a physical reaction. I am not saying one thing or another. But its worth considering.
Quote: On 2008-04-16 08:26, Anthony Jacquin wrote: |
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C.W.G. Loyal user 275 Posts |
You make a good point there MP, it is proven that the body cant tell the difference between whats real and whats vividly imagined.
The body follows the mind and the mind follows the body. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
So do you feel the same about any othr emotion other than laughter?
What about making someone angry, confused, in fear?? I am not clear how you are drawing your boundaries? Is laughter the only response/emotion that is fair game? This thread has clarified my stance on a few things. I never give people things to eat. I never get them to strip off. I don;t take any physical risks. I avoid cliche routines as far as possible. Anthony
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Im not saying I wouldn't get someone to laugh or cry or express anger in a skit or something. Or that its harmful.
All I am saying that its probably unlikely that you can get any one to cry laugh or be angry expressed through physical means without evoking the feelings and thoughts asociated with those physical actions. Or to produce tears. I said unlikely based upon what we know about the connection between the physical, emotional and mental states. And Anthony I never said you did any of these types of skits. |
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C.W.G. Loyal user 275 Posts |
I think your more directing your thoughts toward me Anthony.... We're only discussing things bro? Relax a little. Nobody is accusing you of anything although by the sounds of it you perform some form of routine where you get someone to cry otherwise you wouldnt be getting so defensive about it.
IF you do (thats IF you do) that's your choice and best of luck to you. I'm only giving my view point which you asked for. We all cant agree on everything. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
LOL.
Something seems to be lost in translation here. I am not feeling defensive, aimed at or anything else. I am enjoying the thread. When it started I was struggling to think of anywhere I wouldn't take things. Now I realise there are a few areas. My question to you was if you have concerns about crying being linked to a real emotion then what do you have left to play with. It struck me that you were limiting your act to people on stage finding things funny or puzzling. I do not do a routine where people cry. Yet. Crying out of one eyeball has raised my interest I know it is an old routine but I had fogotten about and have never experimented with it. However, invisibility does sometimes cause fear. I do that. Total amnesia does sometimes cause confusion. I do that. Tourettes does sometimes cause anger. Ouch. 'But you will not get violent' Fortunately it passes as quickly as it arrives. Anthony
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C.W.G. Loyal user 275 Posts |
Ah cool, sorry about that.
Tourettes... Now there is an area I hadn't even considered! I sometimes walk around with a pad a write down ideas as they come to me for routines... and you just helped me solve the ending to a routine which had been bugging me for awhile, here is what just popped into my head: Two spectators are hypnotised to believe that one is a police officer who has pulled over a driver (both are sitting on chairs which they believe to be their cars and both make the sound of the engine/siren with their mouths), the driver knows the police officer personally, and everyone knows Mr Police Officer does not like bad language... but of course our driver suffers from tourettes and every time he lashes out he cringes at the same time and the police officer gets more and more upset at the driver. Just an idea that popped into my head the second I read your post and I'd be interested to know what you think of it? Plus you've given me an idea for a post which I'll write tomorrow. Cheers. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
Cool, I like it.
I saw a hypnotist using tourettes recently. It was during a chaos on stage kind of routine with lots of stuff going off on cue. One lady was a librarian trying to hush everyone else, then an angry librarian, then the hypnotist almost as an aside(I am sure it wasn;t) just said you have got tourettes. She did brilliantly 'F****n be quiet, you bunch of f*****n ***ts'. I am rolling out a routine in my next show based around Fletcher Syndrome. It is a lesser known form of tourettes but much much more common in England. Rather than affecting the part of the brain that deals with obscenities, it affects the part of the brain that deals with politeness. I look forward to hearing your routines. Anthony
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C.W.G. Loyal user 275 Posts |
Ah man that's classic!!! Ha ha ha!
The post I might set up is just a list of routines which are 100% original to me and which I may use for my first hypno show in november to get yays or nays or more importantly, to see if you guys see any problems which may arise from them. Thanks for the above one though, that is brilliant! |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
You know the real art which I rarely see is to get the best out of people.
There is a real skill to tapping deep into the participants and allowing their creativity to explode on stage. 90% of stage hypnotists are too directive and tell their subjects what to do how to behave. I think the art is to know how to nudge and then step back and allow situations to develop on stage. This takes shows to another level. You can't do it in every show it depends on the quality of the participants. But you can do it to some degree. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Theres no fun in that, that I can see.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
That's right Bobser you can't see I'm not surprised you have no fun..
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