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Doc and I were in Atlanta last week for some card and dice games and I had the pleasure of watching him beat a man out of $3,000 in less than 5 minutes playing blackjack. We were in the VIP section shooting dice and the guy came in wanting to play some blackjack and Doc took him to school. He dealt the bump very naturaly and kept his punch on his thumb the whole time without notice.

I also got to see him do just about everything else he does while we were practicing in the hotel room waiting to go out everyday. He's very good at what he does. He's also a pretty patient teacher although he can get hyper from time to time. He taught me how to deal the bump, how to make and use strippers really well, and a handful of great cooler moves.

He can hold his own with dice as well. His device for switching dice is one of the best I've worked with. We had a few historic control shot shoot-outs in the hotel and he actualy beat me in one of the rounds.

I just wanted to post a few things to let people here know that Doc does what he says he does, he's good at it, and he's not afraid to use what he knows in a room full of people staring at him. This was the first time Doc and I met up and it won't be the last.
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Cool.
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Walking_liberty,

were you doing anything in the dice game?
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On 2008-04-04 11:58, ronfour wrote:
Walking_liberty,

were you doing anything in the dice game?


I'll answer you for him if he doesn't mind. Yes and No. Huh! No game transpired where it was his turn to do his job therefore the answer is no but he did show off his battle skills to my friends and they were very impressed as so was I.

As we all (the hustlers) walked back to the V.I.P. room in order to talk about the proceeding day and what we were about to do if a particular vic would show up, Walking Liberty was asked "hey let me see something" and why did B.W. ask that? If you all think that Steve Forte's GPS 4 was great you should have seen Walking Liberty. Boy oh boy did he show off.

Note: Even though I've seen him demonstrate his skills in the hotel room it was even better watching him do it in front of my hustling friends. I'm going on record to date and stating that Walking Liberty is over all better than Steve in dice, especially in the dice switching area; and I'm talking about even in the areas where you all haven't seen as of yet...the area where Mr. Z is showing off in.

Walking Liberty saw (on my laptop) Steve do some of the exact switches that Mr. Z is doing in his video once or twice and had the move(s) down pat within three try's; now how strong is that?

Walking Liberty showed my friends so many dice switches that they didn't know which ones they liked the best until I said "now show them the one behind the hand and the Steve Forte ones and just like the guy in the Scarne's Gambling Expose video with his eyes popping out of his head, is exactly how my friends looked when they saw them switches. B.W. said "hey, now that **** was pretty, you've got to teach some of them not now, but right now."

Walking Liberty was kind enough to show B.W. some basic switches but the more he practiced with him, the more of the switches he started to remember and started doing. B.W. said, "d@mn what the hell is going on here." this is about the time when the vic showed up to play dice and blackJack.

Walking Liberty didn't have a technique down for ce-low and this is why he just sat on the side and watched as my friends took over and started playing. The vic got so lucky in the dice (ce-low) game, C just picked up the dice and threw them against the wall paying the vic even before he shot. One of the other hustlers that was with us said "hey man don't we have to shoot first in order to win in order to get paid?" in other words he was signaling my friend that hey, let this man shoot before you pay him.

This vic eventually quit playing ce-lo and said that he wanted to play blackjack, now why did he say that? I pulled up a small table with the back board that we were playing dice with and made a fairly large table so we can play on. As I shuffled the deck the vic bet $40 and lost, then he bet $80 and lost, then he bet about $200 and lost and so on and so on until his last bet of about $1,200 of which he also lost. In other words, I did not let him win a hand; my worst hand was 19 points, the guy couldn't believe it.

That's all for now and for what Walking Liberty said about me being hyper is exactly true. I guess I have to always get my point across when actually, the world is entitled to their opinion as well. I'm back home now but my next stop will be TEXAS.


Respectfully,

Doc
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On 2008-04-04 13:38, Unknown419 wrote:
Note: Even though I've seen him demonstrate his skills in the hotel room it was even better watching him do it in front of my hustling friends. I'm going on record to date and stating that Walking Liberty is over all better than Steve in dice, especially in the dice switching area; and I'm talking about even in the areas where you all haven't seen as of yet...the area where Mr. Z is showing off in.



Sounds like a fun trip Doc. I'm curious what you consider "better" though. In terms of smoothness of execution, overall knowledge of gaffed dice and dice scams, and just the sheer range of moves in his arsenal, I think few could compare with his Steve-ness--those that could are either dead or are nearing it, the old-timers.

That is my opinion anyways.
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Thanks for the story guys. Funny how the vic was trying to use some kind of a martingale system to recoup his losses. In any case that kind of degenerate gambler would have lost all his money to the evil casinos...
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Its even more funny that there's people out there willing to lay down that much flow.
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On 2008-04-04 16:45, Mr. Z wrote:
I'm talking about in terms of smoothness of execution not overall knowledge of gaffed dice and dice scams even though some of the top gaffed dice makers in the U.S. doesn't agree with Steve on some things. Let us remember that a lot of these things was taught, experienced and learned over time.


Liberty's range of moves in his arsenal is definitely unbelievable. Why? Mr. Z. Steve as you know has an overall knowledge of everything therefore he just can't constantly study one particular area as neither can I. To me, Liberty's area is just dice just as Jeremy's area is mainly cold decking; how can we win? We can't. In either case these guys are still young and have years ahead of them to change direction or to stay where they are.

Mr. Z to answer your 2nd question so to speak on a 95% ratio, I would have to agree with you but there are exceptions to the rule in every case. For the record, Walking Liberty now has all of Steve's best dice moves besides mine and the people I know because I gave it to him. Why? Because to me he has earned the right because of his exceptional skill as a dice mechanic to be given the honor just like Steve has bestowed a lot of his knowledge upon you which now makes you exceptional in your areas.

In closing the torch should be passed on to the elite where it is deserved and as Steve passed exceptional knowledge down to you and Jason E, I've passed some of the same knowledge down to Jeremy and Walking Liberty.

Take care,


Respectfully,

Doc
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On 2008-04-04 17:55, h2o wrote:
Thanks for the story guys. Funny how the vic was trying to use some kind of a martingale system to recoup his losses. In any case that kind of degenerate gambler would have lost all his money to the evil casinos...


h2o maybe just maybe he would have lost his money in a casino environment, I don't know but this system sure worked in the ce-lo game in which we were supposedly be cheating him in. And yes I did recognized the system in which he was using to win but I did forget the name of it.

For the record, I believe this system would have worked on me as well if I didn't cheat, have a little bit of luck to keep coming up with 20 most of the time and the fact that he ran out of money. The laws of average even when you're cheating is that you can't win every hand.

I guess besides cheating, it was also my lucky day.


Take care,

Doc
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How do you play ce-lo? Is it some kind of craps game? I've only find few information about it, explaining that you have to roll 4-5-6 to win. Is it a street game? Is it a common dice game in the US?
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And without getting in details nor exposing any kind of stuff, how did you tried to cheat the vic with this ce-lo game? With some controlled shoot, or switching dices with crooked ones (loaded, mis-spotted...) ??
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On 2008-04-05 07:50, h2o wrote:
And without getting in details nor exposing any kind of stuff, how did you tried to cheat the vic with this ce-lo game? With some controlled shoot, or switching dices with crooked ones (loaded, mis-spotted...) ??


All of the above.

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I have never met walking liberty....but, I have had the honor of seeing Doc work.....I have seen some of the best (including Steve) and I can tell you that Doc is the best at what he specializes in !

I was very impressed, and I personally found Doc to be a nice guy personally.

I would have loved to have seen Doc and/or walking liberty really work live (from a distance). I am sure it would be better than having a session across a table Smile
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