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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
ASMOCMC,
Very well stated. I am with you about seeing more of the others on this show. I had the pleasure of attending one of Joshua Jay's lectures and I did some quick math but he must have cleared about 2 grand in back of the room sales and the lecture I was at was one of many on his tour. I am pretty sure the Pendragons do at least this much. Thanks for your post. Respectfully, BYUDAD |
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r1ch-oxford Regular user Oxford, England 182 Posts |
One of the producers of the UK version obviously called Britain's Got Talent contacted me in January asking me if I would like to audition for the show's second season which is about to begin here in the UK next week. When I enquired as to why she was calling me considering I had not applied for the show, she replied that there had been a very small number of Magicians who had applied this year and she was trying to get some more talent involved.
I told her I was not surprised considering how they had portrayed Magicians on the show in the first season. They took great pleasure in showing the Magicians who had technical problems and totally left out the ones who had auditioned and received good reactions from both the audience and judges (Sean of Mist who uses this forum was one of them). I obviously declined to be a part of the audition process. Mark Parker summed it up best when I told him this story, “Ronnie” he said, “never be a part of a TV show where you have no say over what is actually broadcast.” Wise words if you ask me. Rich |
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Jimeuax Regular user 199 Posts |
Did you all know that million dollars is paid out at $25,000 per year? It would take you, what, 40 years to get your money----still nice---but hardly earth shattering--------they don't tell you that bit. cheers!-----JIMO
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
I'll take it in $25K/year installments...
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Christopher Starr Inner circle Heart of America 1850 Posts |
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On 2008-04-06 15:02, BYUDAD wrote: Sure given a choice, who wouldn't rather be on WGM? But unfortunately for us, Gary Oullet is no longer with us. As for competing against dwarf midget harmonica playing amputees, geez who better than the Pendragons to come out on top, looking every bit as polished and pro as they are! I'm telling you, this is going to be a great deal for the Pendragons as well as the rest of the viewing public, who are going to "discover" this great magic couple. Chris |
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The Drake Inner circle 2274 Posts |
Hello Guys,
I'd just like to clarify that I think the Pendragons are doing a smart business move by going on the show. Even though I don't think the show should be a showcase for pros to compete against amateurs or lesser knowns..... it IS allowed so why wouldn't a pro want the exposure. It did a lot for Kevin James as well as Nathan Burton so other pros will want to get their piece of the pie. My main objection is with the producers of the show marketing it as an amateur show when it really isn't. Remember how they introduced Kevin James??? They said he was from Michigan. LOL He grew up there but lived in Vegas at the time of the show. They didn't want that known because it might expose him as a pro. I'll be looking forward to seeing the Pendragons but will be rooting for some new magic act who gets his/her chance in the the spotlight for a change. That would be more fun for me and I hope it happens. Best, Tim |
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
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On 2008-04-06 20:26, Christopher Starr wrote: LOL!!! Tim, As always, the voice of reason. It isn't the Pendragons fault, they are taking advantage of a situation provided them. Who wouldn't. Besides just because they are in it doesn't mean they will be the best magic act. To prevent pros from this show is not a reality. The bar has already been raised. You had better be a polished and seasoned pro if you want to be on the show. To restrict pros now would be to take a step backwards for the show, they aren't going to do that. I am a huge Pendragons fan but I will be rooting for the little guys to win it. BYUDAD |
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Fitz Elite user Phoenix, AZ 476 Posts |
Here are a couple of random comments that came to mind while reading all of the previous comments.
This contest is open to anyone from what I know. If there is a better act pro or amateur, that act theoretically should get in the show. If you want to be in the show, work real hard and become better then your competition and you will win. Wasn't it a magician who said, "any publicity is good publicity, just spell my name right" BYUDAD the answer is yes. If you pay them their fee the Pendragon's will perform at your kids school. And lastly Good luck to the Pendragon's! Go get them Maestro! Fitz
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WagsterMagic Special user Myrtle Beach, SC 639 Posts |
Does anybody remember the first year of the show?
An "11"! year old girl won 1 million big ones against Nathan Burton! It doesn't matter if you are just starting or a pro. And in the end the producers pick who they like better anyway. Having talked personally to Kevin about his experiences I know how the show goes. -Brandon And really... That is how all of those talent shows go... P.S.- Go Jonathan and Charlotte!
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
Americans want to be entertained.
Many, if not most, believe Television is the fastest route to finding that entertainment. “Reality” and “Talent” shows rack up high ratings in America… Combined, those high-ratings equal desirable and expensive advertiser airtime. They thought “Dancing With The Stars” would be a moderate summer success, it bowled the network over to learn it had exploded into a huge hit…. And a repeatable hit! “America’s Got Talent” brings out the wannabe-soul in the watchers-- It has arguments and drama-- And someone wins $money$, always enviable-- So, it’s going to go on, and keep going on, for a while. Here in “America”, The Pendragon’s “got” enormous “talent”, and they are going to have the opportunity to showcase some of their chops… Of course, it’s a gamble, Hey could be edited to look silly or rude in the final cuts, but they just might be shown at their best on national television. At any rate…. they’ll probably come off better than poor Penn with his pop-up tie, just before being cut early on “Dancing With The Stars”, right? Magically, Walt |
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
Walt,
Excellent post. Thanks. You are 100% correct. BYUDAD |
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Lothar Loyal user 248 Posts |
Yes!
I'm glad I'm not the only one disappointed by Nathan Burton and Kevin James being on AGT!! I was afraid to say anything here. I didn't know how others may feel. Nathan was a magician who inspired me to stop being a magic fan and put my ideas out there. He has been on "World's Greatest Magic"!!! He doesn't need to be "discovered"! AGT does make itself appear to be an amateur hour, with supposedly total unknowns. To the untrained eye, that's what it is. (By the way, why didn't Nathan do the rubberneck???) I was disappointed in Kevin's last AGT performance. It looked kinda silly. They made him look like someone who still lived in his parents basement. I know him, though as a magic genius. He has helped hundreds of magicians with his tricks, website, and consulting. Kevin and Nathan can both do a lot better, and have many times IMHO. There is another show that has a "planty" problem- "American Idol". You can read all about it at http://www.votefortheworst.com. They have one singer, Carly Smithson, who has won an Irish version of a Grammy. She is a pop superstar in Ireland. She has also had a 6 cd , 2.2 million dollar recording contract with MCA records here in the US. Her first cd only sold 372 copies in the US, so MCA ended the contract. |
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Swann101 Special user 558 Posts |
The Pendragons should do realy well, the only thing that could count against them is their age.... The producers will argue, "How much of a career do they still have ahead of them".
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
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On 2008-04-08 05:55, Swann101 wrote: You mean the same producers who almost gave the grand prize to the "Rappin' Granny"?
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styck13 Regular user 165 Posts |
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On 2008-04-08 06:26, amosmc wrote: Gotta admit though..the Rappin Granny was funny... maybe not a winner, but funny. |
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mark2004 Loyal user UK 215 Posts |
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On 2008-04-08 05:55, Swann101 wrote: I don't think age is so much of an issue compared to other things that will be biased against them. These shows tend to favour certain types or formats of act - particularly music-related acts. No big surprise when you consider the guy behind it all (Simon Cowell) comes from the music business. Also, the producers of these shows will have their own ideas about how they see acts, which won't necessarily match the performers' thoughts. When the Pendragons were on World's Greatest Magic they had in Gary Oullet a producer who understood magic. On AGT they will have someone who is looking for sound bites, 3-second clips and a bit of drama (ie. arguing with judges etc.) They may not decide the winners in advance but they quickly pidgeonhole people into stock character roles ("plucky young kid", "argumentative diva", "comic old person", "family act", "arrogant has-been"...) There is also the potential downside that acts who are the top of their field will be shown competing as "equals" with some of the nutcases and losers who get shown in the early audition stages. Will it help the Pendragons if they are portrayed as being on the same level of showbiz as a party entertainer or some guy who just entertains his friends? I've read accounts from two speciality acts (both non-magic but nonetheless comparable in some ways and both at the top of their respective fields) who took part in previous seasons of AGT. Both felt there was a huge gulf between the way they were shown and what they were led to expect prior to taking part. Editing was often particularly unfavourable, with good tricks cut and interviews reduced to one-liners. This isn't to say speciality acts can't sometimes get some good exposure on shows like this. But anyone thinking about taking part in a reality show needs to realise it isn't a "level playing field". |
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Tim Ellis V.I.P. Melbourne, Australia 1234 Posts |
We were approached literally dozens of times to go on Australia's Got Talent. At one stage the producer guaranteed we'd get through to the Semi-Final.
In addition to that, the implication that the show was somehow rigged, there were two other factors that made this show a big no for us. The contracts you need to sign virtually hand over ownership of your act to them. You have 90 seconds to not only perform an illusion (they prefer the big stuff) and get your personality across, but they will allow you to have up to 3 minutes... which they then edit down to 90 seconds... It's a risky game, but I think The Pendragons are one of the few magic acts suited to this kind of fast-paced television.
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videokideo Special user 895 Posts |
Dang... Makes me wonder what would happen if Copperfield brought his arsenal of illusions to the table!
....Oh, and where is criss angel and all his glorious talent? Would love to see that! |
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DanielSteep Inner circle 1409 Posts |
Just to let all know: Auditions, yes, have started. An insider has said that magicians Scarlet, as well as Bizzaro both have performed. (Yes, pendragons have as well.)
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Mad Jack Regular user 195 Posts |
I think those types of shows are dangerous and could do more harm than good. I think that Kevin James was made to look like a one trick pony. Something that we magicians know isn't true, but lay people may assume that he only has one good trick (the cutting in half) and "We've already seen that..." due to how the show was edited.
I stopped entering talent shows years ago becuase they are ALWAYS political. No matter how good I was, I would always lose to the local "Cloggers", or "Karate Demonstration". You're just not going to win against the "cute kid" that can play the tambourine! Now, not only have you put yourself in league with amateurs, both now you have lost! Ouch! Why do you think that Copperfield, Angel and others don't enter contests? I don't believe it is just because they don't need the money. Everyone wants to be judged "the best". I believe it's because they know that it could do more harm than good if they don't win. Just my random thoughts. MJ |
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