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roi_tau Veteran user Israel 335 Posts |
Hi Guys
Im looking for a sign system for 2 person telepathy. There is a brief description in "Magician's Magic" by Paul Curry I know Houdini had a great system (He gave it to Al Flosso) but I don't know the system. What are the best books you know about this subject? Thanks and have a great week. Roi |
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drmagic Loyal user 251 Posts |
Roi,
If you are looking for a way to code another individual with physical codes, check out Angelo Stagnaro's book titled "Conspiracy" for some great non-verbal signals or signs. Not sure if that is what you're looking for. Don |
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roi_tau Veteran user Israel 335 Posts |
THANKS YOU SO MUCH
Al Baker did some work on this. Im not familiar with the book you mentioned but I will look for it. Where can I find the Houdini System? Have fun Roi |
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bear trees Loyal user uk 263 Posts |
En Rapport by Annemann is a good one.
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Corona Smith Inner circle Airstrip One 1689 Posts |
Corinda Step eight 'Two person Telepathy' is a valuable resource.
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
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roi_tau Veteran user Israel 335 Posts |
Thanks Guys
I will check the sources (How did U forget Corinda???). Roi |
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Samuel Catoe Inner circle South Carolina 1268 Posts |
Roi, there is also a wonderful book called Telepathy Personified. It does not deal with nonverbal coding per se, but rather the coding system used by one very successful couple that used it for decades. Worth your time and effort if you're interested in code systems.
Author of Illusions of Influence, a treatise on Equivoque.
PM me for details and availability. |
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magicFreak2 Inner circle 1220 Posts |
En Rapport, Zancig code, both good, but Zancig is a bit lengthy unless you're doing it on stage. I have personally purchased virtually every single two person telepathy code on the market.
Stay away from the Jinx program, I know Anneman is genius, but its pretty much junk. That and magnus. |
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
As far as I know, the full details of such acts have rarely been published. The Grayson's published a small booklet that supposedly contained their code back in the 1940s. Stephen Minch's 1992 book "A Life Among Secrets, The Uncommon Life and Adventures of Eddie Fields" talks about the code act performed by Fields and a succession of partners but doesn't give the code. BTW, I understand that Danny and Jan Orleans learned their code act from Eddie Fields. The Zancig Code (which, at 26 pages, I am sure is far from complete) is currently available as a downloadable eManuscript from http://www.trickshop.com.
Tommy & Liz Tucker published the "ESP 2000 Course" in 1976. It includes much of what is puported to be their two-person code act although I'm not sure that it is the code they actually used, nor do I think it is their complete code system. The course is VERY hard to find and was quite expensive at the time and is, no doubt even more so today if one could even find a copy. I understand that Jeff and Tessa Evason -- IMO the very best two person act working today -- were personally taught by the Tuckers. To master such an act is, to say the least, an arduous process and to keep it fresh requires daily practice and it is almost impossible to do so unless the partners live together which is why virtually all of the top such acts have been husband and wife teams (e.g., the Piddingtons, Zancigs, Mystics, Graysons, Tuckers, Orleans and Evasons, etc.). I've been told that the Evason's communicate via the code as part of their everyday life in order to maintain their proficiency.
Dick Christian
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
I failed to mention in my last note that Stephen Minch's 1992 book "A Life Among Secrets: The Uncommon Life and Adventures of Eddie Fields" mentions the code act the Fields performed with several partners during his career but doesn't include any details of the code. However, I understand that Danny and Jan Orleans were taught their act by Fields. The Orleans should be added to the list of husband and wife teams performing such an act.
Dick Christian
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David Alexander Special user 623 Posts |
Before learning a code you should determine the context in which it is going to be used and with whom you’re going to learn it. Cooperative wives are best as they have an investment in both the relationship and the performance. It is best, I think, to learn something simple and develop proficiency in that before you tackle something as large as Zancig or Tucker. En Rapport by Annemann isn’t a bad place to start especially if your wife has little to no performance experience.
Burling Hull put out a ms. years ago that had an extensive verbal code that sounded like natural conversation. I don't know how readily available it would be. Perhaps Sammy Smith would know as he was close friends with Hull in his last years. If you are planning on using your wife for casual demonstrations then any of the simpler methods are readily available, both verbal and non-verbal. Cassidy has his take on the old Moonlight Madness method in one of his ebooks that won’t cost more than $15 for the necessary “something” plus a few hours practice. Phantini (Gene Grant) had his take as described in one of his books. It is a most practical approach and involves very little stress on your partner. This is recommended as a starting point if you’re using your wife. Full-blown professional code work is analogous to learning a foreign language spoken between two people with perfect fluency. A company called “Diamond Dust” made the Zancig code available in booklet form in 1912. It seems that “Diamond Dust” was owned by Laura G. Fixen who claimed to have been taught the act by Julius Zancig. She also purchased the mindreading act of Charles Carter (Carter the Great) and included it in the manuscript. The details are extensive and it sold for $1 in 1912. She also offered the Fay Act (The Greatest Mind Reading Act of All the Centuries) for $10…a huge sum in 1912. In addition to the depth and breadth of the Zancig Code (if they couldn’t identify an object they were able to spell out a description and send it over), their great contribution to the presentation was that much of the info was contained within the conversation with the person in the audience, not in the words directed at the person on stage. One of the better code acts I saw as a kid was Mardoni and Louise. Clayton Mardoni had an accent that allowed his code to go unnoticed. When Louise couldn’t hear the information if Clayton was sending over the name of a cigarette he would occasionally mumble “Chesterfield” or whatever the name of the brand happened to be. Because he sort of mumbled occasionally, this was missed by most people in the audience. Good luck. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
http://www.advancedmind.co.uk/7thsensecode.htm
Uses a combination of methods all simple but full of strong modern commercial routines. |
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Drewmcadam Inner circle Scotland 1239 Posts |
I happened across one on The Learned Pig - an old, yellowing manuscript that has been scanned in. There is some GREAT stuff in it. (Sorry cannot remember the name of it now.)
Drew |
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nboisen Loyal user 289 Posts |
Duet by Jack Kent Tillar
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sickmagic Special user 528 Posts |
My wife and I are working on this now and I must say to anyone interested in getting into this good luck. Not only is it hard and complicated( if you want to do it right) the time commitment is something that must be taken into consideration. It must become a part of your daily life and you must be willing to have normal conversations with your partner daily in code to fully understand it as well as keep it in your mind at all times.
With that said, S.H Sharps book psychological subtleties is a great book that offers many different forms of coding from verbal, non verbal and other sneaky things that can help you out. This is an older book and you must be willing to change the codes to update it to the present time. Good luck as this is one of the most difficult yet impressive things that we can do. Be prepared for a long time commitment and lots of practice and rehearsals prior to actually performing. |
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dmoses Inner circle 2261 Posts |
There are a couple of nice things in the Falkenstein and Willard DVDs.
"You're a comedian. You wanna do mankind a service, tell funnier jokes."
TPR by Dave Moses and Iain Dunford T-shirts for Magicians and Mentalists |
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Mike Ince Inner circle 2041 Posts |
If you happen to take on the grand and laborious task of practice and memory work, and if you succeed... please contact a financial advisor.
http://www.miraclefactory.net/mpt/view.p......articles
The secret of deception is in making the truth seem ridiculous.
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
Yup. Great fun but boy do you need to keep the practice up.
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sickmagic Special user 528 Posts |
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On 2010-11-08 11:39, dmoses wrote: Yup you are right, the best thing from them is their stories and how to practice, very valuable advice on practicing and actually working the skill set on a daily basis. At the time the DVD was printed texting wasn't a thing, now we can practice via text message which is a lot of fun and great for both the sender and receiver. |
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