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swatchel-omi Regular user 116 Posts |
Does anyone know what size the L and L silks are ?
What about Tony Clark's ? I have several sets. They are all in the 18" to 20" range, but I am looking for a 22" or 24" set for some other routines. Joe |
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Eric Woods Regular user Kansas City 115 Posts |
Joe,
I hope this won't be considered a taboo, but the actual material is ripstop nylon. You can find it at most fabric stores. Might be time to make friends with a good tailor? |
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Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
I haven't used the silks yet, but am storing them in a dark place. How long can I expect them to last?
Thanks, Jeff |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Ibd1Mon99,
You don't use your $70 close up pad and now you say you don't use the Slydini silks. Why not, what are you waiting for? |
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Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
I am not using ANY of my tricks. My health has prevented me from doing the things I love. I am hoping to get back into magic, but don't want to have a fairly large collection of magic just waste away.
I am deciding whether to sell while everything is new, or see if I get better and buy the stuff I want to perform at a later time. So my question still stands about the life of my set of silks. Thanks in advance, Jeff |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Jeff,
I still have some originals pushing forty years-old, if that will help your feelings. I do store them out of the light when they are not in use. But I keep all my silks in boxes. Don't be afraid to really use them. Tony didn't run a museum; he was a performing magician. Hope you get back to magic soon. (Do it for your health!) Good Luck! Bob Magic By Sander |
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Back-BrKR New user San Diego, CA 76 Posts |
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On 2004-03-25 04:00, Eric Woods wrote: You are right most good fabric stores do carry Ripstop Nylon, but is the weight of the fabric in those stores the same as the fabric used for the Slydini Silks? I do not own a set so I have nothing to compare it to other than the Bill Malone Video (On The Loose Vol. 1). When he performed & explained the effect the silks (used) seemed a lot more pliable than that of the fabric stores ripstop nylon (rather thick). |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Back-BrKR,
At the expense of over simplifying this, I think you are worrying about something that isn't significant to the effect. I routinely do the effect with regular, everyday, 5 momme China silks. Slydini personally taught me the effect about forty years ago and shipped me several sets of his nylon hanks over the years. They are nice; I prize them because of the source. They don't work better than silks. I use 18" or 24" silks because they allow me to transition from one effect to another in the show because of the need to use silks and stay within color schemes. (MisMade flag with all white silks just lacks something.) I actually find that the silks don't have to be gimmicked when they are different colors anyway. As a kicker, I like to give my volunteers a silk of their choice as a souvenir when they return to their seats. (I think that was also documented about my technique in Linking Ring recently in a Ring 35 report.) I certainly would not give away the ones I got from Tony Slydini. I do think you will find that the parachute nylon sold by Slydini to be much lighter than the flag weight rip-stop nylon sold by fabric stores. His handled more like a man’s handkerchief. Fabric stores also sell nylon parachute cloth. Look in the coat lining section. It even comes in colors! I don’t recommend it over silk. Tony had a product to sell and product differentiation typically can be used to increase the sales price. (It’s like convincing people that magic can only be done with blue-backed poker size cards. But Ambitious Card will work fine with Old Maid cards!) Boy, did that feel like treason! I’m an old marketing professor who taught aspiring MBAs marketing and product differentiation. We use it to separate people from their money. Bob Magic By Sander |
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Ron Reid Inner circle Phoenix, Arizona 2732 Posts |
Hi Back-BrKR:
I don't think I'd spend much time looking in fabric stores for the proper material. As others mentioned, Palmer Magic makes a very nice set of Slydini Silks - and you can purchase them from Hocus-Pocus and a few other dealers for a decent price. They will last a long time. I definitely would not use silk, unless I was in a jam and had nothing else to use. Bill Malone mentions that silk is not a very good fabric to use, and that has been my experience as well. I hope this helps you. Ron |
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
The trick to silk working or not working is dry hands. Dry, silk slides better than nylon. Also since silk is softer than nylon it can be slightly twisted, by a roll across the finger, to make it more like rope than a flat surface. Nylon knots are not very convincing next to silk knots. But silk will easily pull straight and slide. Don't be afraid to put the same stress on the silk that you will on the nylon. Silk is strong stuff!
The advantages of nylon are that it is easier to sew, cheaper, will not hold a knot well, and it is less likely to be torn by sharp fingernails. Even damp, it doesn't behave like damp silk. In the 50s and 60s when pharmacists still rolled pills and filled capsules, there was a yellowish powder available called lycopodium. It was applied to the hands to keep them dry in the process and to keep the gelatin capsules from sticking together prematurely. If damp hands are a problem, it's worth a try. Incidentally, the powder, when burned, sparkles and leaves no visible ash. It's great for special effects. Bob Magic By Sander It should be considerably cheaper from about any pharmacist. To a drug store it is a supply item like pill bottles and warning labels. Bob Magic By Sander |
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wally Inner circle 1828 Posts |
I want to learn the Slydini travelling knot routine. Should I buy the book or Tony Clark's DVD?
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Paul D Elite user NY 455 Posts |
You can get the silks from L&L pub I bought the Slydini for $59 and for $79 I got the book and the silks. I would recommend General Grant for some excellent silk magic though it is hard to find. But PM me I have a nice collection of his works.
Astonishment as Therapy...?
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2005-04-14 15:35, wally wrote: Given the choice, always buy from a Slydini student rather than one who was not. Therefore, I would recommend Tony Clark's works. The book should always be available some way. The experience will not. Bob Magic By Sander |
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wally Inner circle 1828 Posts |
Has anyone got the Tony Clarks Sly scarfs DVD for sale? I bought Bill Malone's. I want to learn the flying knots. I should have gone for Tony's.
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