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carmean
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Not sure where I saw this but am interested in finding any information about a stapled shut billet read.
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That's wierd?! I'd be interested too...as I have my own that I've been using for quite a while...
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While such a peek might be interesting for the magician inside of all of us - I think you efforts might be better spent on more traditional billet methods than concerning yourself with stapling them shut. I feel this might bring a little too much heat that that little bit of paper we want them to forget about no?

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On 2008-04-17 17:58, Ramsay wrote:
While such a peek might be interesting for the magician inside of all of us - I think you efforts might be better spent on more traditional billet methods than concerning yourself with stapling them shut. I feel this might bring a little too much heat that that little bit of paper we want them to forget about no?

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Agree 100%
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I agree with Nate and Luke. I think a better line of thought is a folded billet pinched together by a participant.

I think even that is overkill, but would be a good exercise in thought and might even work out well for certain performances. With that said, there would always be easier methods to work with.

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'Handcuffed water torture billet escape switch', now there is a thing of delicate beauty!
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On 2008-04-17 19:59, Corona Smith wrote:
'Handcuffed water torture billet escape switch', now there is a thing of delicate beauty!


Now does that mean that the billet is doing a handcuffed water torture escape and you're switching it? Or......? :p
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Or maybe rather than stapple....use a paperclip and gain you peak right under their noses.....think Al Mann and the method is in one of the manuscripts
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I think Richard Osterlind teaches a peek with a paperclip on one of his videos.

Are we talking about a billet read or billet peek? Not that I would personally recommend it, but if you staple the D***Y, you can read the spectator’s billet just like any other billet. I could list a half dozen ways to execute the required move in the context of certain motivated actions.

A long while back, on this board, FIB mentioned a staple move based on an Archer video (at least I think he did.) I remember him mentioning that an advantage of stapling is that it prevents a person from opening the D***Y
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Switching and stapling is certainly a better option than a read of the actual stapled billet however even with the switch I see little reason for this.

Ted K had an interesting billet peek that used a paper clip to secure the billet closed that I suppose could work well with a staple (it appeared in Magick) however I see no reason to not simply have a word recorded and fold the billet and have the spectator hold onto it without the addition of the staple as it seems to draw massive attention to the item we are hoping to make the spectator forget in the long run.

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Elliott, thank you. You know, there's one approach you, yourself, haven't taken in your brilliantly clear, mentalist-must-read, encyclopedic "Switchcraft" manuscript.
It is with a t**** t**. (At least, I don't think you have.) I'm working on a very fair switch with the t** -- done in the act of apparently putting a paperclip on the original billet: You left fingerpalm the soft t** with the d**** billet -- paperclipped -- also left fingerpalmed and going for the ride on the side of the t**.
Spectators only see the clip that's purposefully and very visibly sticking out of your left fingers. They see it "go on" the billet. They then "see" a paperclipped billet. Looks pretty natural -- simulating the act of putting a paperclip ON. I applied work on the t** I saw on a DVD by Alexander d* Co*a.
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I'm pretty sure Carneycopia by John Carney has something like this in it. Ah no, I've just remembered its a stapled shut prediction method. Might be adaptable though...
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I'm with you, merlin. Most of the approaches I thought of refer to the stapling as a method to ensure fairness in prediction, not to prevent p**king by the performer.

I'd really give some thought to what the motivation for stapling is. If you are just doing a p**k, then I agree with Luke wholeheartedly. The staples raise awareness and should be used for that reason, if they are to be used.

Now, as far as predictions go, your options open up so much more. However, as that is not the topic and this is not downstairs, I'll leave it at that.

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I use the stapler in the same was as you would for a microphone sw****...

then stapling "it" shut so I can't tamper or get to it...it also stops others trying to open it too and can be left plainly out in the open on a table or wherever...

I wouldnt try and peek inside a stapled billet!
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Cuz of that last post, this should be moved to Inner Thoughts, which is kind of ironic as the originator of the thread will be unable to view it.
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Couldn't you read it, THEN staple it? The effect is the same.
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On 2008-04-18 00:16, fib wrote:
Yes, did someone call me?
Elliott, thank you. You know, there's one approach you, yourself, haven't taken in your brilliantly clear, mentalist-must-read, encyclopedic "Switchcraft" manuscript.
It is with a t**** t**. (At least, I don't think you have.) I'm working on a very fair switch with the t** -- done in the act of apparently putting a paperclip on the original billet: You left fingerpalm the soft t** with the d**** billet -- paperclipped -- also left fingerpalmed and going for the ride on the side of the t**.
Spectators only see the clip that's purposefully and very visibly sticking out of your left fingers. They see it "go on" the billet. They then "see" a paperclipped billet. Looks pretty natural -- simulating the act of putting a paperclip ON. I applied work on the t** I saw on a DVD by Alexander d* Co*a.
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Thank you so much, Fib!

I tried your T.T. clip move and it looked pretty good…although my Txxxb Txp is probably not the best type for this sort of thing (I most often use a finger version)

Re: the lack of TT work in Switchcraft – I’m a big fan of that gimmick, but never really got into using it for billet work. I think it probably has to do with the size of the finger gimmick I tend to use versus the size of the billets I prefer.

Thanks,

Elliott
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Another often underused but useful gimmick that can create wonders with billets is the Sanada gimmick. Think about having a dummy appear and vanish instantly with hands being seen empty at all times. Not something I have used in any formal performances but something to think about. I made up a few different billet applications of this gimmick a few months ago and as I said while I have not used in performance I had much fun playing with the ideas.

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On 2008-04-17 17:58, Ramsay wrote:
While such a peek might be interesting for the magician inside of all of us - I think you efforts might be better spent on more traditional billet methods than concerning yourself with stapling them shut. I feel this might bring a little too much heat that that little bit of paper we want them to forget about no?

L


I too agree 100%!
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Makes that BLINDFOLDED 'Handcuffed water torture billet escape switch', on a levitating table.
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