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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
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On 2008-04-25 10:55, taller8 wrote: This can be used in two ways, as you said, you can have a card selected, use the wire but it gets the wrong card...no more wires, you used your last one...so then you do the Branded effect, or you can use it as a double prediction, giving you a reason to have the lighter out, so you can get the first card lighting the wire...again, no more wire...so you use your fingers instead. Now, I know the wire will straighten, but you don't just do this in front of the spectator, else they will wonder why you didn't just straighten the wire and heat the wire again...because you can't just say 'Oh, can't use the wire again, it will just show the same card'. By leaving it on the table in the moulded position, then looking for another wire, and not findine one, so using your fingers, it gives the wire time to cool down so you can straighten it as you put it in your pocket after the effect. |
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
What might be cool is where you guys are already going... you have 2 cards selected (forced). You light the lighter and waive it under the wire and it turns into the first card. As the wire is forming or as you allow the effect to sink in you get the round blister from the gimmick. You then touch the wire pretending to burn yourself as if the wire is hot when you pick it up. You shake your hand and act as if it is hurting a bit. You show the regular round blister apparently from the "hot" wire. You now act as if you have an idea for the second card (you are getting the card blister of the second selection), concentrate on your hand, and show the blister you got has morphed into the second selection. Would you guys be OK with me adding this to my blog? Please e-mail me privately at timtrono@aol.com Greg and I discussed (and discuss on the DVD) multiple selection effects as noted but I personally like to do just one card, hit them between the eyes and am done. However sometimes more elaborate routines are needed.
Thanks for the support and brainstorming. When you start playing with Branded you'll love it - I guarantee it. I spoke to the replicator yesterday and all is coming along well and on schedule. Thanks again! Tim |
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Jay Crowe Loyal user Visual Artist 269 Posts |
Some random ideas: for those who are good at verbal forces, you don't need cards. I successfully performed it that way many times.
Or combining the blister with an ashes in the arm, works very well also. After you show the blister, you ask your spectator to burn the card, you take the ashes and reveal another prediction. Cheers
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chennell New user 13 Posts |
Read all the post and spoke to Tim about some presentation ideas.
I just plain and simply can't wait ! |
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ted french Inner circle Columbus Ohio 1946 Posts |
Will Murphy's be carrying these?
P3
practice practice perform. |
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
Yes, Murphy's will be the distributor and it will be available from your favorite dealer (or you can order it from me directly - timtrono@aol.com).
Tim |
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daniel_lachman Regular user 131 Posts |
I spoke with Tim about this a few months back and it sounds fantastic.
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
Thanks Daniel. BTW... Daniel does AWESOME film and DVD work and is doing projects for several top names in magic. Pretty impressive for a high school student. If you ever have a project requiring a DVD to be produced I'd recommend contacting Daniel.
Continuing to get great new ideas with Branded as I share the basic idea with individuals who are purchasing this. Those ideas will be shared with all. Thanks for all of the support. Tim |
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mysterious_guy New user 98 Posts |
How many card revelations are on the gimmick? Is it repeatable with a different card, or is it always the same one?
Thanks. |
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matt.magicman Inner circle Mars 1524 Posts |
Tim,
can they touch your "blistered fingers" as per similar effects out there? cheers matt |
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
I can't wait for Branded.
When ever I ask my girlfried what's her favorite trick out of the multitudes I've shown her, she always says "the one with the blister on your finger". She was referring to pyro perception and that was about 3 years ago. So I can't wait to see a great principle, streamlined and improved, which means for me, I'll actually perform it. I never could get used to the pocket pool of pyro perception. A guy could get arrested for the much action in the pockets. |
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
I'll be happy to try to answer some of the recent questions ref. Branded.
Mysterious guy... as noted prior, Branded comes with a gimmick for both a regular Bic AND a Mini Bic lighter (in addition to the very thorough instructional and performance DVD with Greg Wilson). The gimmick for the regular size Bic lighter allows you to get an impression for a regular round blister and for one of three playing cards. It is recommended that you NOT try to get other combinations than the three cards as the extra movements required will only slow you down though you can certainly try that (i.e. other combinations ARE doable). I just think it is absolutely not necessary. The advantage of this gimmick is it allows you to get a regular blister and also get the impression of one of three cards you force. This is ideal for a walk around performer having to repeat the effect and wanting different outcomes. The mini size Bic gimmick allows you to get an impression for a regular round blister and one playing card. The advantage of this gimmick is it really saves on pocket space and is less noticeable when in use due to the small size. I am typically not in a position where I repeat this and instead chose to make it a stand out item. I personally prefer the mini Bic and I use this all of the time now. It kills. As noted prior, a lot of planning and thinking went into the design of the gimmicks... the font is a bubble like font to make it more believable, the size of the fonts and regular blister were carefully chosen to be realistic and highly visible, and even the dimensions were factored in to make the impression as quickly as possible. Matt, sure you can have them touch the blister though I don't know if I would recommend that. I think people would naturally be creeped out touching a blister and if you are trying to prove it is real that may be overkill (never tried this but I'd assume that is the case)??? But it gives probably a deeper impression than any of the devices out there now. Jack Tillar offers a great suggestion in his Blister Book where at the end you remove a band aid and put it over the blister. A nice touch. Thanks Taller8 for the comments and support. It is appreciated. I am confident you will be happy. Being able to get the blister very openly makes life a lot easier and the morph from the regular blister to the card blister really makes the effect sink in and be so much more believable. It's a stretch for them to believe you created a blister AND it is in the form of a pip/number but when you show a regular blister they can all relate to and it transforms it just takes it to a different level as far as reactions. Also the ease factor is important. On his lecture video from years ago, Tommy Wonder discussed the idea that if you, the performer, don't have to think about what you are doing as much it becomes more magical to YOU and thus you pass this on to your audience. Branded is really a no brainer and very easy to use. The effect is extremely magical so this makes it magical to your audience as you don't have to do calculations, feel for certain things, consider placement, etc. I think this is an effect you will USE and to me that is very important - that you get your money's worth. If you have never done a card blister effect you are missing out on how strong it can be for reactions. I believe Branded takes it up a notch and makes it more doable for most. I hope that helps. If you get Branded and have ANY concerns, questions, problems, etc. please do not hesitate to contact me directly via e-mail and I will ensure you are taken care of. Tim |
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
I spoke to the replicator and it looks like early next week. I'll let you know of any changes.
Tim |
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CharlieC Elite user 488 Posts |
I see Branded has moved forward.
The original creators of Pyro Perception did not give their permission or blessings when told about this effect. That's a shame because those involved with PP are good people. I guess this is an ethical issue. I'm sure people release variations and "improvements" to effects all the time. And I'm sure many of those don't have the permission from the original creator(s). But it would have been nice to see some people in magic STEP UP and respect the wishes of these originators.
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jstone Inner circle Someday I'll have 1473 Posts |
CharlieC,
The concept or principle behind PP and Branded predates both products, so it's hard to say that Branded is unethical. Also, before I finish my post, I want to commend you for wanting to have a civil conversation. I appreciate that. I hate when these things get personal, etc... So I'll try to make sure I'm level-headed. Anyway, back to the point, I equate this to the fact that many people have released their own version of Ambitious Card or Card to Pocket, Out of This World, etc... Each with a different method. In my mind that makes them different products. It's kind of like the automobile. What would the world be like if, after the first automobile was invented, nobody was allowed to make a variation or different version of the Automobile? I think this falls under the same category. Tim has made, what I feel to be an improvement on PP. PP is in my rep currently, but I have to admit that sometimes it's hard to do the dirty work properly because of the shape of the gimmick. Just some thoughts... What think ye? |
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
I am happy to discuss Charlie's concern as I feel absolutely fine with the release of Branded ethically. Due to Charlie's location I assume he has ties to Ken Sands and Brent Walske of Pyro Perception and I can say for a fact that he has not seen Branded. But he raises concerns I am happy to clarify since he does not have the facts and most likely brings in biases. There are two points I'd like to make. First, when Pyro Perception came out it was excellent (I used it) but it lacked due diligence in crediting, etc.. No one bothered to contact Jack Tillar, the original creator of the blister effect, and get his permission, no one did the research to credit Eric Mason, etc. In fact there was no crediting whatsoever. I have absolutely no doubt that Brent developed Pyro Perception independently of Eric Mason, Jack Tillar, etc. but I do not think it is acceptable to not do one's homework. Jack lives a hop away from these guys. In Branded, I not only contacted Jack Tillar but received his blessing and endorsement on Branded. I did the research and credit Eric Mason and others in depth on the DVD that accompanies Branded though Charlie would not know that since it is not out yet. I credit and acknowledge Pyro Perception, Third Degree Burn, and a number of others both published and non published.
Point number two is that I feel Branded is a significant improvement both in methodology and effect over Pyro Perception. The gimmick is very different and in my biased opinion a significant improvement. But I reached out to many very respected names in magic to get their honest feedback and they felt it was a big improvement and thus a very valid release. The idea of the blister morphing also really changes the effect. Between the improved gimmick and the change of effect I feel it takes this to a higher level. Thus I feel it is a legitimate and valid release. This is how magic improves and progresses. I spoke to Ken Sands and Brent Walske as a matter of courtesy about this but they obviously felt it would negatively impact their sales on Pyro Perception and I'd agree. That's an unfortunate fact of life. At some point a better gimmick will come out that far outshines Branded and it will be a sad fact of life personally but something I have to live with. Ken in particular did not want to listen to this or acknowledge any of the many many examples I gave him of items where a better improved handling or gimmick or effect transpired and thus replaced a prior version of an effect. I spoke to Greg Wilson (who is friends with both Brent and Ken) and many many top names to get their feedback as noted above and see if I was blind to any ethical considerations. They all felt that Branded was the only authorized product by the creator of the blister effect, that the method/gimmick was very different and significantly improved, and that the overall effect created was different and thus it was a valid and worthy release. I find it interesting that Charlie chose not to contact me directly with concerns but I'd guess there is motive behind this due to alliances. Tim |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2008-04-29 21:13, CharlieC wrote: Charlie, Tim Trono's reputation in and outside of the Magic world is of the highest caliber. Tim is quite accessible and you could have PM'd or e-mailed him with any questions first. Considering his reputation, it would have been prudent to contact him privately before posting in this thread. The only responses Tim has are civil. There was no need to make that off-handed request.
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
By the way, no matter which blister effect you decided to use I would strongly recommend Jack Tillar's Blister Book. It gives a very insightful look into many many wonderful ideas with the blister effect and many of these ideas can be beneficial if using the card blister effect. Jack is just a super guy and he deserves the support and you get a great book with great ideas- everyone wins.
Tim |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
I think Charlie had the right to ask in public domain, as sooner or later it was going to be asked by someone, and rather than hide, Tim has come out with a perfect answer. If you look at some simple facts...the effect is different, in this effect, a blister in the shape of a card doesn't appear, like in Pyro perception, but a blister is shown, and morphs into a shape of the selected card. It would be like comparing the snap change or somthing like that, to Masudas Wow...in effect, the cards change...in snap change, a different card just appears, in Wow, the card morphs into a different card, so slightly the same in overall effect, a card changes, but in fine detail, a different effect is produced. Also, the methodology is different as well, and Tim comes out and tells everyone what the gimmick is, and how it is used, can't get much fairer than that.
I like Jacks idea of the plaster being put on after the effect. Best of luck with the release Tim! |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
OK, now we're back on track for what this thread is really about.
The Band-Aid® idea of Jack's is a great idea. But if you stroll, you can get a very small tube of Neo-Sporin® ( for "minor cuts, burns, etc. ). Open the tube and pretend to apply it. Just a little convincer.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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