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Scott O.
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Well, James, you could try getting one of those plastic kind of wands. That would be lighter Smile.



...yes, that was dumb. Sometimes I can't resist.
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I cling subbornly to my flash paper, hot book, etc. But I'm wondering if that's not something we should dicuss with parents when booking a party.
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All those guys who are so protective of their use of flash-paper or cotton are walking on thin ice.

I hope you’re also very well insured, and won’t feel too badly if a child is seriously injured or a home destroyed for your special-effect moment.

These are dangerous materials we’re bringing into people’s homes, and magicians as a whole do not have enough respect for the inherent physical and psychological problems using these volatile chemical products around impressionable children.

At the very, very least ask the parents if you may use flame FX, and warn them of the dangers and risks when you’re asking, don’t downplay the dangerous possibilities.

I know you’re thinking I’m an alarmist old coot, but then maybe you don’t know people who were permanently blinded by their flash string or clients carpets burned up by flash paper.

How many of you flash fans have solid liability insurance as well???

But do what you will, I’ve said my last.

Magically,
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I use flash paper in my dove pan routine, with a lighter. I perform in libraries and schools and the occasional b-day. I always preface what I am about to do with "Girls and boys, please remember, do not try this at home...I am a professional entertainer." It gets a laugh and lets them know that it's not something to do at home.

I would, on the other hand, ask any daycares beforehand as they oftentimes do have rules about that. But I have never had a school or library have a problem with it.

Chad
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Kyle,

Check with the folks a Theatre FX.

The sell a Smoke Cartridge that is activated directly from a battery - no fire. A package of 10 comes with instructions to use with the Wiz Kote by means of a Shurefire Igniter. Let me know if you go that way, I might be able to help you.

Max
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On 2008-04-26 20:21, JamesinLA wrote:
I'd like to get a lighter wand. Where could I get one? thanks.


LOL, dunno, I don't use one!

A friend of mine has one I'll ask him when I see him.

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I agree with Walt

When you are invited into someone's home to do a show, you have no business doing tricks with fire, even if you know there is no possible way there is a mishap. Not every parent is going to appreciate or understand the controls you have in place.

Here in USA, you do that in a school, I can guarentee, the word will spread among schools, and you will not be doing many school shows in the future.

What if just 1 parent in 10, feels it is WRONG. I know that as a parent, if someone came into my house and lit what appears to be possibly an uncontrolled fire, I would be very upset.

They say one bad word of mouth outweighs 10 good words of mouth. Do the math. It is your reputation you're messing with.
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On 2008-04-28 13:21, SpellbinderEntertainment wrote:
All those guys who are so protective of their use of flash-paper or cotton are walking on thin ice.

I hope you’re also very well insured, and won’t feel too badly if a child is seriously injured or a home destroyed for your special-effect moment.

These are dangerous materials we’re bringing into people’s homes, and magicians as a whole do not have enough respect for the inherent physical and psychological problems using these volatile chemical products around impressionable children.

At the very, very least ask the parents if you may use flame FX, and warn them of the dangers and risks when you’re asking, don’t downplay the dangerous possibilities.

I know you’re thinking I’m an alarmist old coot, but then maybe you don’t know people who were permanently blinded by their flash string or clients carpets burned up by flash paper.

How many of you flash fans have solid liability insurance as well???

But do what you will, I’ve said my last.

Magically,
Walt

Well said Walt.
Amen.
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Chad C.
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On 2008-04-28 18:20, Magicalpro wrote:

Here in USA, you do that in a school, I can guarentee, the word will spread among schools, and you will not be doing many school shows in the future.



Not true. I use this in two of my school shows all the time for the past 2 years and I am doing more shows now then I last year or the year before. It is all in how you present it. It is also very controlled and there is no way for the flame to get big enough to do anything to anybody or my table, etc.

But you can use a piece of flash paper and a dove pan in schools and still do schools.

Chad
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As for my earlier comments, this is my choice and belif related to fire. I know of others who use a match and deliver a safety message with it. That works fine for them.

The solution for igniting flash paper can be a simple igniter like in the Wiz-Kote or a glo-plug set-up.
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On 2008-04-28 19:43, Chad C. wrote:
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On 2008-04-28 18:20, Magicalpro wrote:

Here in USA, you do that in a school, I can guarentee, the word will spread among schools, and you will not be doing many school shows in the future.



Not true. I use this in two of my school shows all the time for the past 2 years and I am doing more shows now then I last year or the year before. It is all in how you present it. It is also very controlled and there is no way for the flame to get big enough to do anything to anybody or my table, etc.

But you can use a piece of flash paper and a dove pan in schools and still do schools.

Chad


While there isn't any hard or fast rule related to the use of fire in schools one would assume that common sense should prevail. To me, the message of the magician "playing with fire" just seems misguided. I say this a magician of 30 years as well as an educator. I simply don't understand why someone would want to risk sending the wrong message to a child for a throw away effect. One should certainly consider insurance if they used fire of any type in their show.

As for using it in a controlled manner...I'm pretty sure that most people who have had problems with fire thought the same thing as well. Reminds me about the fellow in the US who did a gun safety talk and went on about how he was "...a trained professional..." and right after this ended up actually shooting himself in the foot. I think this was captured on video and the gentleman was a law enforcement official of some sort. Probably was a "controlled environment" also.
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You should NEVER use fire in a kid's show. Kid's imitate what they see and may try to duplicate the effect using whatever is available to them (matches,lighters,stoves etc...). Don't be responsible for planting that seed in a child's mind. Fire is wrong in a kid's show and I don't care for smoke either. There must be thousands of entertaining magic effects to choose. Please make the effort to be responsible.
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I'm reminded of my inquisitive son Jonah who, after doing a class project with paper mache, tried to duplicate the recipe using toilet paper, water and soap. I found him in the bathroom with a guilty look on his face. I think that it's really better to be safe than sorry and you really don't to put the image in a child's head. They may see it somewhere else or everywhere else but the apparent lack of ethics in our society shouldn't serve as an excuse. I know that some may call this over sensitive or politically correct and in their mind they may be right. As a person in authority over children its my responsibility to set a good example. This is a responsibility that I take very seriously.
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I used to use a Duck Pan in my shows, but took it out because a couple of clients appeared apprehensive during that part of the show, although I had safety precautions in place.
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I do not use fire much anymore. I find that taking it out does not hurt my routines. It is better to be safe. Cheers!
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Vincent -

If I could make a suggestion...

When commenting on an old thread (which you do a lot), it's best to preface your comment and let people know you are commenting on an old thread / popping it back to the top. Simply write, "Commenting on an old thread..."

Because people might not realize the post before yours (or most of the thread) is from years ago.

HERE'S WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT...

For example, on this thread, your comment was made in November 2021. But the comment just prior to yours is from April 2008. That's 13-1/2 years! A lot might have happened in that time, and people's opinions / posts made back in 2008 might be totally different in 2021. Trends change. Opinions change.

Another point... one of the threads that you popped up to the top today was started back in 2015 by a close friend of mine. That close friend passed away from cancer in December 2019. Some might make a post or send a PM (without noticing the difference in dates), thinking they are trying to help him with their advice, or thinking they can ask someone a question, when that isn't the case.

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AMEN!

I and others have also brought this up and how frustrating and often inappropriate it may be. Why not simply start a new thread on the topic that will be current?

Part of the problem with reviving old threads is the previous participants aren't here to continue the discussion. Many of them are now dead. So again, why not start a new thread or topic. That is what keeps the Café progressive, current, and beneficial to all.

Glad you've brought it up Donald as I have been getting PMs about this for months now.

Plus it could be helpful to post in the form of a discussion not just your own personal opinions.
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