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http://shop.grasscity.com/shop/grasscity/box532.html

for all the handy guys, you could probably remove the plastic inside and turn this into a chip cup for switching dice.... not a bad price either...
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Chip cups are also used to steal high valued poker chips....But, there must be collusion between the dealer and the player.
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That's kinda the point of any chip cup, expert.

You always have to do business with someone inside.
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Hey, iamslow, what were you doing on that site anyway?
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Well I believe he's Canadian...
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I made the comment about loading high value chips because of the 1st statement about using the chip cup to switch dice....I assumed he did not know about chip switches. Smile
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On 2008-04-26 23:36, Expertmagician wrote:
Mr. Z

I made the comment about loading high value chips because of the 1st statement about using the chip cup to switch dice....I assumed he did not know about chip switches. Smile


The fact that he knew about a chip shell to switch dice automatically tells me he knows about the "standard" use of a chip cup--the dice thing is actually little known.

Plus I already knew he works in the casino business, perhaps you didn't...?

Anyhow...
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If you think about it, you probably want to make your own chip cup out of loose chips that you'll be seeing in play as opposed to something like this.

A chip cup for dice is easier to make than a chip shell for switching chips. For chip switching, the I.D. of the shell has to be over the O.D. of the chips in play.

A chip switching shell is fine work, done by hand......probably not the kind of work you'll find at a head shop Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile
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On 2008-04-27 00:33, silverking wrote:
A chip cup for dice is easier to make than a chip shell for switching chips. For chip switching, the I.D. of the shell has to be over the O.D. of the chips in play.



I beg to differ on that one.
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I'm not clear Z......that it's not harder to make, or that it doesn't have to be bigger?

On size: Forte's CGP, page 453 "The 'chip cup' is a shell designed to look like a small stack of checks. It's slightly larger than the size of a regulation check".

As for harder to make, I've drilled (and ruined) a lot of chips with my Forstner bit. I find making an actual chip shell the most difficult of the lot.

If it's not a half-shell or some other basic mod done to a full shell then it's something I'm missing, please enlighten.
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Well look here:

http://www.vegastripping.com/images/feat......pcup.jpg

The level of work and craftsmanship on the dice shell looks far greater than the chip cup, which is just essentially a painted piece of plastic.
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The two shells closest to the camera are dice switching shells. Only the black shell is a real "chip cup." Figuring out which one is "harder" to make is a matter of opinion. If you have access to the necessary little piece of plastic or metal that is the proper size and shape, then gluing a real chip on top and painting it is the only "hard" part of making one.

On the other hand, if you're trying to actually make that little piece of plastic or metal, then that'll be the toughest part by far. The dice cup in little more than a series of chips that have been drilled out and glued together.

Incidentally, the date in that photo is an odd one. Perhaps it's referring to when those chip cups were made, because the big chip cup scams that hit Vegas were in the early 70s.

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Hi guys, sorry to be unclear... the reason why I suggested for switching dice is because that particular pillbox seems to be made from typical 11.5g poker chips, so naturally it wouldnt work because of size...I didn't want people to buy it only to find out that it wont fit or they would have to shave down chips to practice?? if anyone does find something similar that would nest over a couple of chips, pls let me know as I would like to obtain one...thanks
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On 2008-04-27 01:35, silverking wrote:
I'm not clear Z......that it's not harder to make, or that it doesn't have to be bigger?

On size: Forte's CGP, page 453 "The 'chip cup' is a shell designed to look like a small stack of checks. It's slightly larger than the size of a regulation check".

As for harder to make, I've drilled (and ruined) a lot of chips with my Forstner bit. I find making an actual chip shell the most difficult of the lot.

If it's not a half-shell or some other basic mod done to a full shell then it's something I'm missing, please enlighten.


I don't think chip cups are made of actual chips, its usually just the top chip that's real and stuck to the gaff... Do any of you coin guys here think jamie schoolcraft or todd lassen might be able to machine one??
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The dice switching cup made from chips can be made with a Forstner bit in a drill press and a simple wooden jig. They're really not difficult to make.

A chip shell has to have the ring cut, joined, and painted by hand. It also needs a shoulder on top of it for the real poker chip to attach to. I've never found anything "pre-made" that would work.

Anyway, my post might have just as easily read with the addition of the word "I" at the beginning of the sentence you're questioning ........."I think a chip cup for dice is easier to make than a chip shell for switching chips".........because based on personal experience at the workbench, I DO think that!

Z differed in his opinion, which is fine.......I thought I was missing some cool new tip.
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Silver,

I have a chip cup in my collection made out of plastic. I can't tell whether the plastic cup was milled from a solid block of plastic or was prefabricated that way for some other purpose.

Regardless, it has a "top" so to speak and the normal chip is simply glued on. It also has scoring lines going around it to simulate the individual chips in the stack.

I've seen other shells in a private collection that were made as you described: a ring of metal or plastic with an inside lip for a real chip to sit on top of (sort of like a Okito-style Boston box from the magic world).

I don't doubt for a second that a suitable cap or plastic tubing could be found that could work, (pill bottles come in a zillion different sizes, for instance) but it might take an awful lot of searching.

Making the chip cup if you have access to the prefabricated plastic shells is easy: glue and paint and you're done. Making the actual ring or shell from a block of plastic or metal is very time consuming.

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Anyone got a chip cup for sale or rent?? just want to try out some moves I worked out in my head...
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