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Wade Live Veteran user Earth 322 Posts |
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Mad Jack Regular user 195 Posts |
Guys like Franz, Angel and Blaine make us all look bad. By doing impossible things (through video editing) and making it seem like it was done on the street "on a whim", makes all working pros look like second rate amateurs. It also angers the audiences who then go to see these guys live and are let down. I went to see Franz's show last year with some friends and It was horrible. Franz wasn't even there. It was a stand-in. People were yelling "Where's Franz?" throughout the show! The stand-in's performance was very lack-luster, and at first I thought it was just him. Then I wondered if he was forced to act like that as to not upstage Franz to the casino.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
You are correct sir!!!!!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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videokideo Special user 895 Posts |
LOL.... Magic just lost a lot of credibility with that piece!
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
I feel so USED!!!
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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Chezaday Inner circle Naperville, IL 1673 Posts |
Although I'm not a fan of this type of video trickery, Franz is a brilliant guy. These large scale illusions are used to sell a show or a series .. that's all.
If I were in his platform shoes, I would do the same ... Steve |
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maurermagic Regular user 110 Posts |
That just put my knickers in a twist. That's for you Mad Jack.
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Matthew W Inner circle New York 2456 Posts |
I don't think it was video editing. Compiling clips to look like one continuous performance? probably.
If you watch these clips, taken from a bbc documentary, he went through a lot of work with props and devices for this vanish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlFVCazzvNA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUaP57KjOlk Personally, I think he did what David Blaine did with the balducci levitation. He performs one trick with a legit method, and enhanced it. He showed one trick to the camera and put reactions from another where he wanted them. Matt
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2008-04-28 11:46, Chezaday wrote: Don't!
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
I don't know if the folllowing text comment is legit or not, but it is on the video site:
"Well I'm sorry to disappoint, but as the BBC producer of this programme (and member of The Magic Circle!) who came up with the idea for this illusion - I can confirm that the method described in this clip is WRONG. We did not use computer or camera trickery of any sort. Watch the whole show - the clue to how it's done is right there!" Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
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On 2008-04-28 16:43, Terry Holley wrote: I feel SO bad about this. And the method used is not matter for discussion. The point is he is REVEALING a correct or incorrect method but he tells to everybody a system of doing something that is supposed to be "magic". This is SO bad for BIG AND GOOD illusionists because now they can't do a public big stunt or illusion because everybody is going to think this is the method. Someone seeing the video and in the past saw the Copperfield Vanish of the statue might say: Ooooooooh, now I know how its done even if his thought is wrong is a mistake! I'm so sad about this situation! Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 2008-04-28 11:46, Chezaday wrote: Although I'm not a fan of this type of video trickery, Franz is a brilliant guy. These large scale illusions are used to sell a show or a series .. that's all. If I were in his platform shoes, I would do the same ... Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- YES!But the REVEALING situation is BAD!!!!
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Laszlo Csizmadi Special user From Hell 868 Posts |
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On 2008-04-28 11:46, Chezaday wrote: I'm with you on this Steve. People put on their website or youtube this kind illusion just to sell their magic. David and Erik did the same here: http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=x0GpiegfVDk As you can see they are doing a different illusion when they are on a real show: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HvVh5RG97FY Best, Las PS:Terry is right Franz did it other way not with computer. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Well I also know another method and the situation was not represented in that way at all either. It's cheating either way.!
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Erich Troudt New user 97 Posts |
To mention Franz, Blaine and Angel as people using questionable resources in TV illusions is shorting the list.... What about Copperfield, Lance, Masked Magician, Frewin, Pendragons just to name a few?
I'm not gonna comment on how he did or didn't do the bridge. Unless you worked on it...don't assume. I have toured, tech'd, production managed, warehouse managed, stand in and performed franz's show since 1996. I know the man and his props pretty well. One time years ago I asked him what he thought about magicians using different methods (including his without permission) to do big effects on tv, especially since many can't be done in front of a live audience.. His response was something like this.... "If push came to shove, I could do it live. With the right amount of money, circumstances and the right team, I could do everything I've done for tv for a live audience. I wouldn't never do anything I couldn't figure out how to do live......" Since the man has created over 200 original illusions and has some of the biggest props on the planet... I don't doubt he's right. What's sad is the people "exposing" their explanation on youtube. I would be willing to bet they have created nothing in life...therefore they must get their happiness by trying to bring down others...even if its thru lies. Thanks for telling us a magic trick isn't real....Front page news! Next they'll do an expose about the Easter bunny. Erich |
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mvmagic Inner circle Has written 1322 Posts |
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On 2008-04-29 01:51, Erich Troudt wrote: Well said Erich! I have always had a hard time understanding why. The word "illusion" is self-explanatory-it's not real. It is basically the same thing if someone went great lengths to prove Harry Potter is fiction.
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styck13 Regular user 165 Posts |
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Next they'll do an expose about the easter bunny. Is there something that I need to know here? Hahaha Sorry, I had to..It was just too easy. |
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ssucahyo Inner circle 1954 Posts |
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On 2008-04-27 12:26, Mad Jack wrote: I agree!!! Now every time I meet someone who knows me as a magician, they ask me about all those crazy effects!!! How they walk on wall, how they can wlak on water, etc. etc. Makes my head ache. :o) Cheers, CC |
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Chezaday Inner circle Naperville, IL 1673 Posts |
Erich .. you're my hero!
Steve |
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Lusion Special user 590 Posts |
Well Mad Jack why don't you just ask the guy himself! The fill in for Franz is Erich Troudt as you can see he is here on the Café.
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Erich Troudt New user 97 Posts |
Well actually, it may have not been me. A handful of others have filled in for him over the years too.
Last time anyone filled in for him that I know of was in Atlantic City last year. Myself and Travis both filled in for him when he required emergency surgery. |
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