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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
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On 2008-04-29 14:07, magician8 wrote: Spoken like a true magician. When a card is palmed it should look like the hand is empty, not like you are proving it's empty. Proof invites suspicion. The steal is very good, but the hand looks like it's cramping. |
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Tina I Regular user Oslo/ Norway 194 Posts |
It's a nice steal and a nice plam. The only problem I see is that it *looks* like a palm. If you intend to actually use this at the table I have just one advice: Learn some self defense
Seriously, how many card players do you see that makes an effort to prove their hands empty? You should try to mimic your hands when you're *not* trying to prove that your hands are empty. I have mentioned in another thread that I think many magicians go way too far in attempting to prove that a hand is empty when it's not. You should not need to do that, it should seem so obvious that the hand is empty that no one wold question it. And if no one question it you have nothing to prove. I would guess the same apply at the card table. If you come to a point where you need to prove you are not cheating you have failed miserably and it's just a matter of time before you get busted... *if* you are allowed to continue at all. Anyway, it's a cool move... it just need some polish |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
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On 2008-04-29 18:45, magician8 wrote: I don't lack imagination and it looks exactly like I thought at the table. There is no reason for your hand to hover over the deck and stroke it like you do during normal gaming procedure. It just smells like a magical move. Also, in which games do you turn the deck face up while passing it for the cut? I imagine it is harder to pass the deck for the cut properly when you palm your way as opposed to a standard top palm, but that is no excuse to do away with proper game procedure. Even if I mostly hang with the Gambling forum I know what magician's hand looks like and yours is it. It is a nice, smooth palm, but the fact that it's smooth doesn't mask the fact that it still looks like a palm. |
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
A simple question.
Isn't it Tenaki Palm? Hideo Kato |
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Jonathan P. Inner circle Belgium 1484 Posts |
I'll second what others said already: a very smooth palming action.
But the "holding" hand is very unnatural in its position. It looks empty, but it look unnaturally empty, which focus all attention on it and ruins the illusion. Don't try to make it look empty, just make it look natural. Also, I am curious about what you claim original. I never saw this move, but the palm in itself seems to me like a lateral palm. Keep up the good work! The palming is very smooth! Jonathan. |
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magician8 Veteran user 383 Posts |
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On 2008-04-30 06:05, Hideo Kato wrote: no.And I have no idea what a lateral palm is, but judging by the name it isn't either. 8 |
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msc455magic Inner circle Taipei, Taiwan 1523 Posts |
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On 2008-04-28 09:02, magician8 wrote: As Michael Weber once said, "read a thousand books before you claim something is yours!"
Magic of Japan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tks9xf13Pqs |
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M for Magic Special user 673 Posts |
Very nice palm.
One bit of constructive criticism. The moment you palm the card, I mean the exact second, your hand goes instantly a touch stiff. It is noticeable enough to mention. You hand is smooth and relaxed then bang. Maybe keeping it in a bit more motion would do the trick (no pun intended). Not rigid though, and in the proper context without your hands being burned over and over in a 3min video by cardmen, it would go over very well I think. Just my 2cents, and what the hell do I know anyway. But remember, when you post a video for comment, expect the critiques with the praise. Both help in different ways. Great work. J. |
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DStachowiak Inner circle Baltimore, MD 2158 Posts |
The steal looks great. I have watched it repeatedly and can't pick the move up. I do have a problem with the position of your hand while you are holding out. The second and third fingers are locked together, providing a major tell. The spreading of the first and pinky fingers actually EMPHASIZE the position of the other fingers. A natural curl of the hand, with the fingers together, would make this much more deceptive. As has been stated above, attempting to "prove" something that shouldn't even be suspected only calls attention to it.
Woke up.
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trickytrav Veteran user 391 Posts |
M-8 if you are doing this for the lay public in a magician sense then I think it will fly by unnoticed.However take the advice given already and work on your hand looking more natural and you will have a very nice move in your repertoire.
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
I don't think hands can't be natural with this method as middle and/or ring finger need to be in that shape to hold the card.
As stealing the card in that position is very good, maybe it is a good idea to shift the stolen card into Tenkai Palm. Hideo Kato |
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Bob Gerdes Loyal user Northport, NY 237 Posts |
Based on what one can see at exactly 2:24 in the first video, this looks like a curl palm... but done with a card instead of a coin.
Of course, I may be wrong. You do the steal very nicely.
Eschew obfuscation
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Jonathan P. Inner circle Belgium 1484 Posts |
The hold out, as far I can tell, is a kind of lateral palm. A quick look at Green magic, vol. 1 (Lenart Green) will tell you what a lateral is. One corner (let's say the top left corner) is held by the tip of one finger while the other corner (top right corner) is pressed at the base of the fingers. The position may vary (from one finger to anther), but the concept is the same.
That's only for the hold-out. The take is very smooth... (even if the slight gesture is unmotivated.) |
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diagonalpalmshift New user New York, NY USA 73 Posts |
The palm looks like it is pretty similar to Steranko's Shadow Steal or the Maurice Rooklyn Top Palm, although it may/does have some slight differences. The Steranko Steal goes into Lateral Palm while the Rooklyn Palm is a full palm, but I think the general idea is the same.
Also, when the deck is passed to be cut, it is generally given to the person on the dealer's right. Best, Ricky Smith |
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Off Topic: Where is a source for the lateral palm?
Thanks in advance. Resume normal programming.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Krumb Loyal user Vancouver, WA 300 Posts |
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On 2008-04-30 21:14, edh wrote: -By Forces Unseen -Drawing Room Deceptions -Ultra Cervon -Marlo's Magazine Vol 5 Source: Denis Behr |
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LeConte Special user Bay area 830 Posts |
Steranko on Cards is an excellent source for learning the LP. Jim Steranko is an amazing man. The Shadow Steal is also taught in this book.
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Jonathan P. Inner circle Belgium 1484 Posts |
Just a quick note to remind that saying that an "innovation" is in reality an existing (quite old) move doesn't mean it isn't an innovation.
I just want to make that clear (to the initial poster, amongst other) as the whole thread could be (mis)read as a general "you think you invented this, but it's as old as card magic"... It often happens that someone comes up with a great idea/move/trick on his own. Even if the idea had already be tought of before, that doesn't withdraw any "merit" from the one who invented it a second time. It is just nice to be aware that this existed before, and to establish the history and chronology of the move. |
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Memory-Jah Inner circle Germany 1438 Posts |
The video is privat, do you mind sending it to me or making me able to watch it?
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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ghostpianist Loyal user 274 Posts |
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On 2008-05-01 19:28, Memory-Jah wrote: Me 2 please. |
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