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clarissa35f Veteran user 363 Posts 
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On 2008-05-23 22:56, Jonathan Townsend wrote: grrrr... hy tease me ..lol. I have a hard time with the 1 ball routine. just got started on this myself. But it really is a fun thing to do when done well. And yes...Tommy Wonder was an awesome performer. Got more bang from 2 cups than many would with three. Makes it clearer. And I love how he even uses the sock, and the little ball on the string in there. Talk about not letting anytning go to waste...lol
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mike gallo Inner circle 1341 Posts
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Just for fun, see what you can do taking the "three ball" routine and use a cup or two for some reason in there - see where that takes you.
Check out the works of Doc Daley and Milt Kort for just two examples of this. Mike |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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The cups and balls is a mysterious piece of magic. It's been around for millenia, yet, from time to time each of us who works with it discovers something new...usually to find that someone else has already thought of it.
If you can develop a sense of wonder about why the old moves keep reappearing in new forms, you may begin to understand the real mystery behind the cups and balls.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts
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On 2008-05-24 20:47, Bill Palmer wrote: and sometimes ya just get lucky... -DJ |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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Very true. And I know what you mean!
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Joe Howard Loyal user The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts 204 Posts
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Why do we do any of the tricks we do ?
Why does a juggler, juggle ? Why does a cellist play a cello ? why does a poet, write poems? why does a muskrat guard his musk ? I like the posted answers, because we can ,we like to, we want to, we must. what other reason do we need ? Joe H |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2008-05-25 19:04, Joe Howard wrote: At some point one may find some advantage in finding a balance of versatility and time against self amusement for the sake of getting along with audiences.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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If you perform any of these things without the idea of communicating something to an audience, then you are only communicating with the person who is watching or listening...i.e. yourself.
And how do we regard people who talk to themselves?
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Funny about the basic props - nobody says you HAVE to show all the cups or all three balls at the same time for your routine - or that they have to be the same color, size etc - which comes in handy when trying to organize a routine that's more than three minutes long.
Hey Bill, I resemble that remark
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Joe Howard Loyal user The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts 204 Posts
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Are we communicating by sharing something we love ?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2008-05-25 22:08, Joe Howard wrote: ? let's leave the kids and wives out of this. Okay? It's just as easy to frame that question in terms of the audience - ie we are doing the show for them. 
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Tom Fenton.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts
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So, the point of the Cups & Balls is to entertain.
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clarissa35f Veteran user 363 Posts
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I think that is half right. A singer can entertain, so can a dancer, a Cellist, or an actor. We do the Cups and Balls to entertain and AMAZE. We entertain by presenting the audience with an impossibility. We entertain by providing what should leave them with an experience that knocks their everyday logical reality off it's tracks and pulls the rug out from under them.
When we perform we should have sent them through a metaphorical roller coaster where they imagine we can do the IMPOSSIBLE, and do so on an everyday basis..... all for their entertainment pleasure. If all we have done is entertained, we are halfway there. We also need to send them away astonished.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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Maybe a definition of "entertain" is in order.
"The Swatter"
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Tom Fenton Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts
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I don't agree that, as magicians, we 'need' to send audiences away astonished to entertain them.
As an example, Tommy Cooper in many of his routines never fooled anyone but I defy anyone to say that the late Mr Cooper didn't entertain. Audiences can be entertained by any number of means, astonishment, laughter, sadness etc. All of these things can be achieved by reaching out and touching the emotions of an audience, communicating with them. Do the show FOR them rather than TO them.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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On 2008-05-26 07:12, clarissa35f wrote: I'm curious. Are you now or have you ever been a performer?
"The Swatter"
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts
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Ok, I've waited thinking "surely someone will say it" but no one did (that I could see). Why do we do it? Everyone has reasons... fun, entertain, amaze, just because. However, a KEY reason many do this is as simple as the origin of the trick itself. MONEY. There I said it! Professional performers perform it for financial means just like professional singers, actors, plate spinners whatever. Sure it is fun, entertaining, amazing and different... but its origins go back to making money, and even today your street magician or busker is making money and that is great. Theres nothing wrong with that... maybe one day I'll make some big time buck-a-roos while performing it
Why did no one say it? Just curious :-p
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Tom Fenton Inner circle Leeds, UK (but I'm Scottish) 1477 Posts
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DJ,
You are of course correct in saying that it was done to make money. For some practioners the C&B was done to attract a crowd, that crowd could then be sold to. Others were conjurers who just did the C&B to entertain and therefore get money. I posted on why I perform the C&B. Of course another reason is, the Cups and Balls is my favourite trick. Basically, it has everything that any magician would want to do. Transpositions, vanishes, appearances etc can all be a part of a C&B routine. I  it
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts
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There are so many different reasons to do magic that the idea of running the audience through an emotional roller coaster is not necessarily valid for every one of them. For example, if you are doing a trade show presentation, you probably want to steer clear of the more gut-wrenching emotions, other than, perhaps, the apparent destruction of an item of value or the possibility of winning an item.
Some forms of magic are simply diversions to bring a potential customer into a position of interest in a completely unrelated product or service, as Tom has pointed out above. This does not negate the idea of artistic, emotional magic.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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paymerich Special user Norwalk, CT 546 Posts
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On 2008-05-10 12:04, ferrissteve wrote: Its the Rub-a Dub C&B routine he does
Have a Magical Day!
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