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I am also thinking about the famous signed card to impossible location. Like card in bottle for instance. Let's say you get the dupe in the start of the set. Then by misdirection or by excusing yourself, plants it somewhere impossible. When you come back you can then continue with the other signed card, and rip it up or make it disappear for the final revelation.

Is that possible through the crystal method? Without the spectator knowing that their signature was duplicated of course.

It's just that there have been so many signature moving gaffs around recently, and I don't find any of them practical.
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Wow, I have been looking for something like this for a long time. I even worked on my own method, however it never looked right. The price is almost 50 dollars shipped to the united states, so my question is will this be available from dealers in the states?

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I'm preparing myself for another severe blow to the deceptive ad portion of my brain.

Why wouldn't the demo show the spec signing the card? To me that's a crucial point, at least I'd like to see it before plopping down 50 dollars.

Why has the magic marketplace been reduced to take the money and run? Where are the actual demo's, without editing? Show me the darn trick straight through so I can decide if I want it or don't show me at all!

And my last critical comment will be....

Can we refrain from naming tricks after drugs that destroy lives? Does anyone actually find that amusing? Hey kids.... want to buy some CRYSTAL METHod? how about a Cannabis card trick? No? Well then WTF? That's a card trick too apparently.

I may be alone here but I find that trend pathetic and embarrasing.
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On 2008-05-18 01:15, Magic Spank wrote:
I'm preparing myself for another severe blow to the deceptive ad portion of my brain.

Why wouldn't the demo show the spec signing the card? To me that's a crucial point, at least I'd like to see it before plopping down 50 dollars.

Why has the magic marketplace been reduced to take the money and run? Where are the actual demo's, without editing? Show me the darn trick straight through so I can decide if I want it or don't show me at all!

And my last critical comment will be....

Can we refrain from naming tricks after drugs that destroy lives? Does anyone actually find that amusing? Hey kids.... want to buy some CRYSTAL METHod? how about a Cannabis card trick? No? Well then WTF? That's a card trick too apparently.

I may be alone here but I find that trend pathetic and embarrasing.


While I understand your points about editing, however the bottom line is the effect and not the method. As long as the method is workable then why does it matter if it is not in the demo. If you watch a demo that is not edited it would be easy for magicians to figure things out, so in a way this is protecting the creation.

As for the naming of the tricks with drug references, I personally don't care, however I can understand some people would be bothered by this. I personally feel that as an adult it is our responsibility to educate kids from right and wrong and with this it would be a matter of educating. It isn't embarrassing or pathetic to me only because I use right judgment when I read or buy something and that is were the education comes in. I feel that the biggest problem in this art lately is that people are just putting out so much material that it is hard to help young magicians because their overloaded with new material daily and then they miss the point on learning how to become a good entertainer and focusing the overall package.

I am very blue humor when I perform and I don't expect everyone else to perform the way I do, however I respect those that are traditional in values and in performance style. We should judge based on actual facts and not on words or appearances. This of course is just my opinion.

This looks like a great effect and I personally don't care what the method is as long as it is workable and isn't laced with actual drugs!

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I really like the look of this but I agree with the comments above, just show us the demo from start to finish, if the gimmick etc is that good we will buy it.

I spoke to a dealer the other day and asked how Enilighenment was going, he said it went well on preorder, but would not recommend now he has seen it!!!

Is the magic market hyping us, taking our money and running, it looks like it, I hope its not a new/ old trend?

Steve Della has done some work with this which gives me some hope as I hope he would only be involved with something good!

I you want my money in advance show me what it it or at least a proper demo, would you buy a new "anything" for $50 without going into a shop and seeing it or at least know what you were buying?

Why should magic be any different, if a method is that obvious that we can figure it out by watching, then it can't be that new or good?

If it works with a fab new gimmick then we can't copy it anyway so show us a full demo.

I love keeping up to date with whats new but this hype and let down is becoming all to frequent how can some people sleep at night?

I'm not saying this will be a let down lets hope not, some good new stuff does come out every now and then.

I also think tricks should at least tell us a few things it is, not what its not e.g no rough and smooth, no I.T. etc!

Is it instant reset, is it suitable for table hopping, parlour or both, how hard is it and the sleights required. This way I sure there will be more happy customers.
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We're lucky to have Steve Della involved, sharing his ideas behind the Crystal Method. We also have a number of top magicians on the DVD.
As far as crappy gimmicky stuff, we're so confident of this product being so versatile and a catalyst for creativity that we are discussing with Geni magazine to include one crystal method with every July copy.
This is a v easy method that can create new miracles with cards- the product will be fully available with DVD from 26th June 2008.
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Hey, foget Genii - supply one with every Linking Ring, wouldja Smile?
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On 2008-05-23 14:14, themagiczone wrote:
I really like the look of this but I agree with the comments above, just show us the demo from start to finish, if the gimmick etc is that good we will buy it.

I spoke to a dealer the other day and asked how Enilighenment was going, he said it went well on preorder, but would not recommend now he has seen it!!!

Is the magic market hyping us, taking our money and running, it looks like it, I hope its not a new/ old trend?

Steve Della has done some work with this which gives me some hope as I hope he would only be involved with something good!

I you want my money in advance show me what it it or at least a proper demo, would you buy a new "anything" for $50 without going into a shop and seeing it or at least know what you were buying?

Why should magic be any different, if a method is that obvious that we can figure it out by watching, then it can't be that new or good?

If it works with a fab new gimmick then we can't copy it anyway so show us a full demo.

I love keeping up to date with whats new but this hype and let down is becoming all to frequent how can some people sleep at night?

I'm not saying this will be a let down lets hope not, some good new stuff does come out every now and then.

I also think tricks should at least tell us a few things it is, not what its not e.g no rough and smooth, no I.T. etc!

Is it instant reset, is it suitable for table hopping, parlour or both, how hard is it and the sleights required. This way I sure there will be more happy customers.


While I sympathise with you over the problems inherent with a bodge it and scarper industry I do find it equally strange that we are now insisting on full view demo's. Close up magic can rarely survive the scrutiny of the camera. The idea that if a method is obvious for the camera then it is rubbish is idiotic to say the least.

A few years ago we didn't have the luxury of such accessible media. Books were all the rage. You had to read it from cover to cover to get the good stuff out. No chance of a sneak preview.

Feel free to wait for this to be released. No-one is holding a gun to your head to pre order. If you decide it's not you then don't buy it!

If RK decides to include this in Genii then maybe the hype is deserved? Truth is, this might be the best thing ever for some and completely useless for others... to make any !@#umption prematurely would be... well premature.

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Agree totally. The reason why full demos are not always shown is because we have the oportunity to review over and over again and deconstruct the trick and work out the method. In the real world, spectators are misdirected with patter, gestures and actions. They never see the whole picture. So the graphic inserts and editing is the video version of spectator's misdirection. Its only fair to the creator of the trick to protect somewhat the product

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Just imagine how strong some Torn and Restored cards now really can be...
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On 2008-05-28 17:06, Christopher Williams wrote:
Just imagine how strong some Torn and Restored cards now really can be...

That is true. If it is possible to dublicate signatures on the fly with this method. It is still a bit vague for me, as we see in the demo only the signature being switched.
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I don't disagree with your comments regarding demos.

The problem is that too many effects promise the earth and are then totally unworkable.

I tend to buy only at conventions or dealer dem's at least that way you see them performed in real time.

All these flash videos with endless cuts turn me off straight away.

Alakazam's own demos are some of the best, just 2 guys sitting down at a table.

Yes you can see what they are doing if you know what to look for, but its by no meens abvious to a lay person that may see it over and over.

With these you can evealuate a trick not buy and regret!
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The effect looks great. The name is horrible. While I'm not one to usually delve into being politically correct, this is an exception.

With Crystal Meth being one of the largest growing drug epidemics in the US to hit the streets and destroy lives, why would play on drug names being used as a product incentive or play on words? Drugs are a huge society problem and these effects seem to mock the serious issues that young people and society face.

The marketing ploy is a turn off and revolting. I personally wouldn't support anyones work that takes such a dim view at a drug that destroys lives.

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I could be wrong, but I have a feeling the method of the effect might put the name in a different context (?). Personally I couldn't care less about the name. It's not as though it has anything actually to do with the drug.
It's just a word, replace it with jsfnbsfjg I don't see what difference it makes.
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No the name is very much in context of the drug, Crystal METH. You ignorance and arrogance to a rising society killer of the young pretty much shows how little you care about a crisis that drug related in the US and spreading as quickly as aids. It's a play on words with a killer drug and has everything to do with it.

**** poor marketing technique and lack of responsibilty for public awareness.
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Yes, reading this thread really make me re-think if I want to be a magician. They are vile and socially irresponsible. You don't realize how much they burden the good green earth.

Magicians promote gambling by excessively using playing cards,
promote materialism by spurring a fascination with coins and money,
promote violence by catching bullets and sawing people in half,
promote promiscuous sex disguised as so-called Bunnies, and now they
promote drugs by the choice of name for a method (which the audience never knows)

I'm going right away to tip off the cops on the next magic circle meeting. Such lack of responsibility for social awareness must not be tolerated!

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Now that we've established how awful and vile the name of the effect is... isn't it about time that it's released? Smile
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Well, I still will be buying the effect but Mad Jake's point is a good one and should not be scoffed at i.e. depends if you believe we are all somehow responsible for helping society.

It is good he raised it for our reflections.

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On 2008-06-01 05:30, Mad Jake wrote:
No the name is very much in context of the drug, Crystal METH. You ignorance and arrogance to a rising society killer of the young pretty much shows how little you care about a crisis that drug related in the US and spreading as quickly as aids. It's a play on words with a killer drug and has everything to do with it.

**** poor marketing technique and lack of responsibilty for public awareness.


I agree 100%. I'd like to know what the purpose of the inventor/marketer is naming the effect this way? Naming his card effect CANNABIS it already tells you that there is an affinity for drug related names. What will be the next one? HEROINstant?
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As for the method... it could very well be revolutionary and spice up signed card effcts. Can the duplicate be handed out? I guess it can.
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In a utilitarian calculation, I just don't see anyone getting hurt by his choice of name for the method. This is the name of the method, for crying out loud, that only magicians will see. I just can't see a worker getting this, and say, "oh, this is such a good trick. I wonder if I should start taking crystal meth because the effect is so named?"

As to being insensitive to the plight of crystal meth users and their families, I think that is a fair point. However, I'd (and have had) pointed out that very few human phenomena could be interpreted unambiguously - feminists have complained about "sawing in halves" promote treating women as objects, gambling routines as gambling promotion. Those are effects presented as such, to a much wider audience than there is of magicians; the impact or evils of naming a method is slight in comparison.

I'm guessing that the authors were giddy about how they fitted "Card at any number" to CANNIBIS, and when a method involving "crystal clear sheets" come out (with disorienting effects), they decide to make it a series by naming it Crystal Method. I still think it's a sticker Smile
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