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With regards to hyped marketing... The descriptions are always 'what the spectator sees'. The reality is always different. that's Magic!!

Here's an effect. A card changes into a thought of selection WHILST the spectator is holding it. Method... a double lift...

As magicians we should be able to see past the method and see the effect... If we are now only interested in the method we may as well quit.

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When the effect as presented here reads "volunteer signs a card" but the effect as perceived by a sane average person reads "person signs something on top of the deck gripped tightly by the performer" we have an issue.

Ask anyone at the supermarket if they can tell paper from plastic. Most people aren't blind or stupid - even if they are willing to sometimes turn a blind eye to our contrived and funny looking stuff for the sake of entertainment.
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From the spectators view, its exactly as stated, he signs the top card which is on the top of the pack.

There are more you tube proper shot clips with legends like James Brown and Lee Hathaway on it coming tomorrow- watch this space!
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Guys, wait until people use the tricks and then can offer reviews. Don't try to judge or be negative about it until you try it. Don't forget there is no such thing as real magic and there has to be trickery everywhere. There are routines where the spectator never once touches the gimmicked card aswell. I have done the Blind Date routine in Genii on laypeople and no one has suspected a thing. There are too many people here trying to knock something without physically trying it. But hey, that's the Café for you. Smile

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Folk

There is a way a card signature can be duplicated and left with the spectator! This is an effect from Daniel Young, the creator behind the Cannabis Effect

We are hoping to upload the clip onto youtube in the next 24 hours!
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On 2008-06-22 16:50, ziatabari wrote:
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There is a way a card signature can be duplicated and left with the spectator! This is an effect from Daniel Young, the creator behind the Cannabis Effect

We are hoping to upload the clip onto youtube in the next 24 hours!


The main point of interest and main reason this effect sparked my interest was that it 'initially' allows you to make and end up with an exact duplicate card a spectator signed -AND that this duplicate can be handed out. In other words you have two identical cards with two identical signatures.
Is that true or not?
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On 2008-06-22 13:55, ziatabari wrote:
People seem stuck on signature ideas.

There are LOADS MORE EFFECTS than just signatures!!!


What do you mean? The main (selling) point of this effect is signature transfer from one to another card and/or ending up with an exact duplicate card with signature. Your statement is very contradicting my friend.
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Silvio: No you cannot have 2 duplicate cards with a dulicate signature. Now that it is clear you can make an informed decision of whether this trick is for you. This is strange - its not even my trick and I feel the need to correct people. The misunderstandings and misinformation are coming from Café members. Its all there in black and white in the ad copy. The ad copy clearly states:

* Transfer signatures from card to card
* Create duplicate initialed cards
* Perform never before seen “in their hands” effects
* Stun your onlookers with impossible mentalism routines

The ad does not say it can create duplicate 'signed' cards. After the inital ad, further ideas have evolved which possibly allow duplication of signatures. Still work in progress. That's the beauty of the principle - it allows for creativity to develop and allows people to work on new ideas. As I have said, wait for the product to come out and wait for the reviews and then make an informed decision. That way you cannot say you have bought something you did not want.

Its NOT JUST a signature trick. How can Darius' statement be contradicting?

Some members are causing friction on their own accord and getting worked up.

Relax guys. Smile
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On 2008-05-08 11:22, ziatabari wrote:
Crystal method allows 2 things

One is the transfer of one signature to another card, with no duplicates needed.

The second is the ability to make an immediate duplicate of a signed card.

Both are v easy to do and will not be detected.


Come on guys. You gotta admit this product is overhyped (stating that it can do things it can't). In my world a duplicate means an exact copy.

I don't care how many other possibilities a product have, if it doesn't accomplish what it states, and the main reason I buy it, then it is wrong marketing.

We all know there are curtain rules as to how companies label food products. There aren't such rules in the magic industry because most of the time the product is a secret in itself. I seriously feel this product has the wrong label.

So,
You can all tell us to relax, but that will only drive it further in the wrong direction of future products.

Bottom line: When something says it can create duplicate initialed cards, I want two cards in my hand, which are as alike, that any spectator will never know the difference. Anything other than that is not of my concern.

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Anyone applied pips to the crystal method to make "this" look like "that"?
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I love the idea and really want to do it but please tell me how to get away from the fact that the card looks fake in person on a grainy youtube video you cant tell but seriously I have tried this on magicians and laymen and theycan see it. Give me some tips I would love to accomplish this type of effect but I don't think this card is going to fool anyone.
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Hopefully I don't sound to demanding but I really love the idea and I was just supprised when I saw the actual gimmick. Can anyone answer 1 question am I the only one having the problem where the gimmick looks weird.
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On 2008-06-22 20:10, Angelo M Carbone wrote:
Silvio: No you cannot have 2 duplicate cards with a dulicate signature. Now that it is clear you can make an informed decision of whether this trick is for you. This is strange - its not even my trick and I feel the need to correct people. The misunderstandings and misinformation are coming from Café members. Its all there in black and white in the ad copy. The ad copy clearly states:

* Transfer signatures from card to card
* Create duplicate initialed cards
* Perform never before seen “in their hands” effects
* Stun your onlookers with impossible mentalism routines

The ad does not say it can create duplicate 'signed' cards. After the inital ad, further ideas have evolved which possibly allow duplication of signatures. Still work in progress. That's the beauty of the principle - it allows for creativity to develop and allows people to work on new ideas. As I have said, wait for the product to come out and wait for the reviews and then make an informed decision. That way you cannot say you have bought something you did not want.

Its NOT JUST a signature trick. How can Darius' statement be contradicting?

Some members are causing friction on their own accord and getting worked up.

Relax guys. Smile


Angelo,

this is not what Mr. Hathaway stated in his post. Go ahead and re-read page one on this topic. Then we talk...
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On 2008-06-22 12:46, ziatabari wrote:
'' Do you mean duplicate of their initialled card or their initially signed card. ''

Both

Please note there and MANY more effects not just using signed cards.


Is this a joke or do I have to take some Crystal Meth to be on the same page as you guys?! Mr. Carbone says that a duplicate is absolutely not possible and you say that it is!? Now I am beginning to understand the 'initial' name of the product...
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The idea to have an instant duplicate of a signed card would actually be (have been)a significant and advanced tool for an awesome ACR, Card through window and any TnR Card effect. I think I can talk for many brothers here who thought the same when they read the 'initial' possibilities that can be achieved with Crystal M.
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* Create duplicate initialed cards

But not a duplicate "signature"? My signature and Initial look almost identical! This makes no sense! Don't feel compelled to respond to this as I have no intention of buying this trick but I'll bet other inquiring minds wanna know!

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On 2008-06-23 01:48, MickeyPainless wrote:
* Create duplicate initialed cards

But not a duplicate "signature"? My signature and Initial look almost identical! This makes no sense! Don't feel compelled to respond to this as I have no intention of buying this trick but I'll bet other inquiring minds wanna know!

Mick


Signatures tend to be your signed name... initials tend to be the first letters of each... Essentially quite different for most people.

An initialed card would be easier to duplicate on the spot than a signature. Having looked at the card in Genii I think there are ways that you could duplicate a signed card.

I am still quite surprised that some members here seem to need their hands held over this one. I love the way that Mickey has decided not to buy the effect but still feels the need to tell everyone!

Angelo Carbone is one of the most respected magic consultants in the world. There isn't a magic show in the UK that he isn't involved in in some way. The fact that he has backed this tells me all I need to know about this. The original emphasis on the name is not a very good reason to dismiss it. I wonder how many people are still influenced by this OLD NEWS...

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Here we go people

Check out the copy duplicate that can be handed out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_efc5VNUXng
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I still think there is a HUGE confusion over whether we can duplicate signitures, or only initials.

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Crystal method allows 2 things

One is the transfer of one signature to another card, with no duplicates needed.

The second is the ability to make an immediate duplicate of a signed card.

Both are v easy to do and will not be detected.


So we can duplicate WHOLE SIGNITURES, and it's not just limited to INITIALS ?
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Wow, those demo videos are really awful... bad video, bad sound, bad angles... bad...
I really want to like this, I have the sample from Genii, but it just ain't clickin' for me...
the visibility of the gimmick in many different lighting situations is a bit obvious for me...
It's kind of like a th*#bt!p... YOU know it's there, but the spec doesn't, so you might be able to get away with it... on the other hand, you aren't deliberately flashing the other gimmick I mentioned like you are with the CM... and you CERTAINLY aren't trying to get a spec to sign it... it's gonna take some chutzpah to use this... the gimmick is not TERRIBLY obvious from a distance but it IS from close up....
you can maybe get away with this in a dark bar, but I can't see this working in broad daylight...
think I'll wait for the reviews of the dvd to start popping up before I go into my wallet...

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