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Oh, I didn't know it didn't belong to him. Now how about this: What if it looks the same but the method is different?
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It's the same method.
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I still have no proof that Kole's allows a full lean in matrix position. Sitting and bending back are two different sciences.

I have emailed a few big names who create and build, yet nobody seems to know for sure who officially has the rights to the matrix bend. They all said the same.. sitting is different, and have never seen Kole do otherwise. Two said the basic principle is in books, just a new performance style in using the principle. Mentions it was used often by clowns in circus acts during fight scenes to avoid a punch by bending backwards like cartoon character.

Any info would be helpful.
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On 2008-05-25 23:01, videokideo wrote:
I still have no proof that Kole's allows a full lean in matrix position. Sitting and bending back are two different sciences.

I have emailed a few big names who create and build, yet nobody seems to know for sure who officially has the rights to the matrix bend. They all said the same.. sitting is different, and have never seen Kole do otherwise. Two said the basic principal is in books, just a new performance style in using the principal. Mentions it was used often by clowns in circus acts during fight scenes to avoid a punch by bending backwards like cartoon character.

Any info would be helpful.


Hello Video,

Can you ask those two names which books they refer to? It'd be nice to have a reference.

Best,

Tim
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I'll send an email to at least one. He did mention the book but my email fritzed and I lost the email with the info in it. I know I didn't have the book so never really looked into it further after I read the email.
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I would also like to see the sources about this.
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Could ths be done anywhere?
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Straight from Danny's mouth:

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Well, about four or five years ago I invented that illusion and
started doing it in my act...Cyril (who is an old friend of mine)
asked if I minded if he did his matrix variation of my trick. I
agreed it was no problem. Then this guy in Taiwan stole Cyril's
version which is based on mine. Please don't support him! I worked
so hard on that illusion and I am trying to keep it as exclusive as
possible. As a creative magician, I know you can understand the
difficulty in developing new material...it is so easy to steal it
once it already exists. Anyway, I am just hoping that the magic
community doesn't buy from this guy (plus, I hear he makes terrible
products anyway.)
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Lee Alex

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Thank you gitty for the videos of the "matrix" I actuallu liked the one of the guy in china best. I agree thogh if it is someone elses idea they should not rip it off in Tawan
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I'm having a real problem with this issue. Some claim Kole has the rights. But from what I'm hearing you cannot do the matrix with his gimmick, only a sitting style. Now, to me, that does not give him the rights just because he does 50% of the illusion concept... sitting is very different than leaning.

I fabricated my own almost a year ago and I will not stop using it until I have some sort of proof that I'm ripping someone off. One presentation can be very different than the next. Sitting and leaning are two different gimmicks and illusions. Woodbury does the zig zag, but removes the middle completely and places it on a table. That, to me, is a new concept, not a copy!


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I invented that illusion and
started doing it in my act...Cyril (who is an old friend of mine)
asked if I minded if he did his matrix variation of my trick.

That says it all to me.... this guy claims to own any type of variation. Might as well claim to own all the variations of levitation as well!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I still see no proof of rights yet. Trust me, I've never ripped anyone off nor ever will. I get paid well enough not to have to do so. But this issue seems to be boarderline at best.
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With this line of thinking, magic would have never arrived where it is now. No sawing in halves, no levitations...

Seeing a gimmick and copying it is a rip off.

But seeing an effect and producing the same or similar effect and improving on it, independent of method is what moves the art forward. That's the history of many effects in magic and many inventions in the world.
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I have developed a variation of this also! I recall this being discussed about a year or so ago when Cyril's version first appeared! Anyway I started to play with the idea of doing a reverse lean before it all got plastered over you tube and before I was aware of Cyril doing something similar - so it's tricky because if a few people have a similar idea and develop that idea, where do we stand? BTW I don't agree with this Taiwan company selling something that aint their's if they have simply copied it!

I saw the old clown gag only a couple of years ago at a circus which got me thinking about the whole reverse lean!
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On 2008-07-02 20:44, seanalexander wrote:
I have developed a variation of this also! I recall this being discussed about a year or so ago when Cyril's version first appeared! I saw the old clown gag only a couple of years ago at a circus which got me thinking about the whole reverse lean!


Common guys Danny started the illusion with sitting position and he leaned back a bit. Not fully but if he doesn't do the illusion no one think about it. Then some of the people improved a little and now everyone want a piece of it? That's is ok if you upgrade the illusion but lieve the invention alone. Danny should get the credit only. I'm laughing when I hear that if someone release an illusion then some people saying they thought before that either. Well why did you not released it? Sorry I just don't believe those people. Come up with your own idea release it and I wanna say what do you say when someone else try to take credit for it.

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If I bought this type of illusion, I wouldn't buy it without both Kole's permission, and both Kole's and Cyril's permission for the later version. That won't happen, because I'm not a professional magician, so I don't buy costly illusions. My wife would be very surprised if she found our son's college fund had been depleted!

Here's an idea that is screaming for a good presentation. I don't know if this would play well in the real world, or if it has a good opportunity cost when compared to other ideas. For what it's worth:


A large, obviously strong man, is brought up on stage, and asked to pick up a wooden chest, or some other object. He cannot budge it. (Unlike some previous similar demonstrations, a little girl is not brought up to successfully lift the object later).

Magician A leans way over backwards.

Magician B, using the same method, appears to sit on magician A's chest.

The object is lifted with a winch, and placed on magician B's lap.

They extend their arms to the applause position, and look at the audience.

I don't have an ending. It needs one, as well as a good presentation to justify doing all that.

Also, this could be done without magician B, i.e. the object would be placed directly on magician A's chest.

I thought of this, because some people might guess the method, and lots of weight would make many possible guesses at a method seem less likely. Perhaps that's overkill.
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I second that! My wife would be very upset with me to say the least!

This is a wonderful illusion, but its unfortunate a magic company has to rip it off. There's a lot of this going on in the magic community these days. Smile
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FRAUD WARNING: Don't try to buy; this company is a scam! You will kiss your $ goodbye.
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Please DISREGARD previous message. It was posted in fear. The company didn't respond to multiple emails for days after money was wired. Trying to get through by phone was unsuccessful because I didn't speak Chinese. BUT they finally responded saying they were "abroad", but now will ship item. So I will have a review for you soon--if item gets here okay.
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Itsmagic, have you received the item from that store?
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Was there ever a review for this effect?
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