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whitjm5
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So I've got a stripper and invisible deck. The other two tricks I have are some IT and spongeballs. I want to be able to do tricks 'on the fly' to ANYONE and the latter two don't lend to that always. So...some questions:

Is the scotch and a soda a 'must have'?
How fast is the reset?
Is it worth the few extra dollars to buy a Johnson set? (looking at other threads - I'm guessing yes)

Thanks for the feedback. Smile
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If you're looking to do tricks anytime then I suggest that you learn some sleight of hand and impromptu tricks that can be done with things that you have on you or that you can borrow.

Take a look at the "Magic...at a moment's notice!" section.
Mark Storms has a nice list of impromptu tricks here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=52&9

and if you click on the IMP link in my signature you will find some more about impromptu magic.

S&S is what many newbies start with but it's far from being a 'must have' and will take a few moments away from the audience to reset.
For the extra $$ I'd go with Johnson.
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I think if you are using IT to do something impromptu, then that's great, but you are going to find it very difficult to find anything to follow it with in terms of satisfying the audience's perception of you and your abilities. A card trick is just not going to cut it IMHO. If you use it as a finale then you had better have the audience believing that you are pretty good before you crack it out. An ID may be able to achieve this, depending on how you frame it. I personally don't think Scotch and Soda will. I think a TT would suit this purpose better. My 0.02
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Slights and various impromptu effects are the way to go to be prepared to do something at "anytime. Scotch and Soda is a nice effect, a good number of ways it can be played. Reset generally requires you to be out of sight of others, though it only takes a few seconds. A Johnson set is far superior to the other cheap sets out there and will last you a long time, well worth the few dollars more.
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On 2008-05-08 14:09, Jaz wrote:
If you're looking to do tricks anytime then I suggest that you learn some sleight of hand and impromptu tricks that can be done with things that you have on you or that you can borrow.

Take a look at the "Magic...at a moment's notice!" section.
Mark Storms has a nice list of impromptu tricks here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=52&9

and if you click on the IMP link in my signature you will find some more about impromptu magic.

S&S is what many newbies start with but it's far from being a 'must have' and will take a few moments away from the audience to reset.
For the extra $$ I'd go with Johnson.


Alright Jaz, now you've got me checking out Larry Anderson's Jawdroppers set. Penguin magic has it for $35. Whaddaya think? Looks like it might be a better place to start than these gaffed decks I have.
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I think it's important to take a good look at places you visit and your surroundings. Look for objects that you might possibly do some magic with.
If you can find gimmicks or gaffs that look like everyday objects or are unseen then you could use them too.

Spatlin makes some good suggestions about keeping IT and TT handy.
Both are pretty versatile.
Add a quarter [, Swami and pencil, elastic bands, a string or shoelace,
a wad of poster putty, handkerchief or bandana and maybe add a few paper clips, and stick a BIC pen or Sharpie in a pocket and research will show that there are a great many tricks that use these common looking objects. You may need to borrow something like a finger ring, business cards, coin, bill or deck of cards but that just makes the magic stronger.
Most of the above are compact and can be carried in something as small as an Altoid tin.

There's a time and place for special decks, sponge balls and other such props.
It's seems kind of odd to me when someone pulls these things from thier pockets and does some magic 'on the fly' in a casual setting.
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I think it's important to take a good look at places you visit and your surroundings. Look for objects that you might possibly do some magic with.
If you can find gimmicks or gaffs that look like everyday objects or are unseen then you could use them too.

Spatlin makes some good suggestions about keeping IT and TT handy.
Both are pretty versatile.
Add a quarter [, Swami and pencil, elastic bands, a string or shoelace,
a wad of poster putty, handkerchief or bandana and maybe add a few paper clips, and stick a BIC pen or Sharpie in a pocket and research will show that there are a great many tricks that use these common looking objects. You may need to borrow something like a finger ring, business cards, coin, bill or deck of cards but that just makes the magic stronger.
Most of the above are compact and can be carried in something as small as an Altoid tin.

There's a time and place for special decks, sponge balls and other such props.
It's seems kind of odd to me when someone pulls these things from thier pockets and does some magic 'on the fly' in a casual setting.


I'm cool with all of that. Now I just need to LEARN how to use these everyday objects. So...are the jawdropper DVDs worth the $35? I'm a visual learner (seriously - I've tried card tricks from books and I just end up standing there confused), so I definitely want something I can observe. There is no magic shop within 30 miles of here, so little shot of getting a 'real' teacher. Smile Any input about the DVDs would be much appreciated. Thanks so much for sharing your wisdom with the rest of us. Smile
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Here's what some people say:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=41

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

There are some other topic links about Jawdroppers on one of these pages.
Decide for yourself from what everyone says.
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On 2008-05-08 16:31, Jaz wrote:
Here's what some people say:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=41

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

There are some other topic links about Jawdroppers on one of these pages.
Decide for yourself from what everyone says.


Thanks. Those are a big help. Think I'll grab them in a bit. I can work on patter and routine myself. I don't need a script, just a howto on the magic portion. I'm a decent story/joke teller - so I'll use that in conjunction with. Thanks so much!
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On 2008-05-08 16:40, whitjm5 wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-05-08 16:31, Jaz wrote:
Here's what some people say:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=41

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

There are some other topic links about Jawdroppers on one of these pages.
Decide for yourself from what everyone says.


Thanks. Those are a big help. Think I'll grab them in a bit. I can work on patter and routine myself. I don't need a script, just a howto on the magic portion. I'm a decent story/joke teller - so I'll use that in conjunction with. Thanks so much!



whitjm5, I have the all the jaw droppers tapes. I can say with fact they are worth it. I still do the coin through table this day. The effects are well worth the price.
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On 2008-05-08 23:07, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-05-08 16:40, whitjm5 wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-05-08 16:31, Jaz wrote:
Here's what some people say:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=41

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

There are some other topic links about Jawdroppers on one of these pages.
Decide for yourself from what everyone says.


Thanks. Those are a big help. Think I'll grab them in a bit. I can work on patter and routine myself. I don't need a script, just a howto on the magic portion. I'm a decent story/joke teller - so I'll use that in conjunction with. Thanks so much!



whitjm5, I have the all the jaw droppers tapes. I can say with fact they are worth it. I still do the coin through table this day. The effects are well worth the price.


Thank you so much for confirming. Will buy NOW! Smile
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On 2008-05-08 23:26, whitjm5 wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-05-08 23:07, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-05-08 16:40, whitjm5 wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-05-08 16:31, Jaz wrote:
Here's what some people say:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=41

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

There are some other topic links about Jawdroppers on one of these pages.
Decide for yourself from what everyone says.


Thanks. Those are a big help. Think I'll grab them in a bit. I can work on patter and routine myself. I don't need a script, just a howto on the magic portion. I'm a decent story/joke teller - so I'll use that in conjunction with. Thanks so much!



whitjm5, I have the all the jaw droppers tapes. I can say with fact they are worth it. I still do the coin through table this day. The effects are well worth the price.


Thank you so much for confirming. Will buy NOW! Smile


You're quite welcome. I'm trying to get my VCR working so I can watch one of his videos again
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Don't have the jaw droppers DVD but I can tell you that scotch and soda is great. I bought one over ten years ago and still use it today. it can be an amazing effect and is easy to master. another good gaff is getting a good marked deck. you can have a lot of fun with that.
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I actually just found a REAL magic shop in the town south of mine. It's about a 30 minute drive, but they've been in business for over 30 years, so I'm excited to check it out. I *accidentally* drove by it the other day and saw it for the first time. I'll see if they have Johnson Scotch & Soda. Thanks again for all the great help. My thumb palm for spongeball sleight is getting better and I've already baffled one girl. Thanks again!
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Hi whitjm5,
You can't go wrong with all the suggestions made, nor with your own take or responses to them that you have posted.
There's a slight difference in direction you can take from the advices posted, though they could all be integrated together. Personally I would go with the post that broadly said 'go for sleight of hand & then you can perform impromptu any time' - thus I would advise stop buying any more magic props - and that includes Scotch and Soda etc. Also, rather than buy Jawdroppers - which I agree is good because it has universally great feedback - I would buy Greg Wilsons' 'On the Spot' instead (his older 'Off the Cuff' is great too). This dvd will help you achieve exactly what you want! You will be able to do loads of impromptu tricks without having to have that 'special something' on you. Taking this route & buying this dvd will also inspire you to invent your own tricks and I think will develop your own skills and confidence in magic even more than you have already - more than is achieved when buying more props. I'm not knocking it if you do - far from it, scotch and soda is a deserved classic and I have it myself, so good luck if you get it. To illustrate my point nowadays for a coin trick, I do Wilsons' 'Questionable Trick' instead of scotch and soda - it's an 'in the hands' effect like scotch and soda is and gets as good a reaction - but no 'special' props needed! The longer I go on in magic, the more I ditch props that do most of the work (my sleight of hand is no higher than intermediate level by the way, most my routines arer below that level I can assure you!)

Good luck!
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YES YES and YES
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If you want to do anytime anywhere impromptu magic, My recommendation is, if you are just starting. Try and stay away from Gimmicks and Gaffs, and focus on educating yourself in sleights. Cards are a good start, Coins are as well. Look around you, they pack small. Chances are while cards will take an effort to always have on you, you will always hgave coins on you...even when you don't want to have coins on you lol...

Ok I am not down on Gimmicks, I am sure Scotch and Soda is great, and so is Pen Through Dollar, or any other Gimmick you can mention. But the temptation will be hard to resist to keep buying gimmicks. That is the OPPOSITE of Impromptu. You have to have all these gimmicks on you at all times or be unable to perform. Once you learn sleights they are with you always.

Another thing, for some reason everyone I meet that knows I am a magician asks me if I know any " card Tricks" I think it's always a good idea to know 3 or 4 whoppers... even if you focus on other stuff. You're visiting relatives, and someone says.." oooh let's see a card trick." what do you do?

One exception to the gimmick rule since I don't consider then Gimmicks but Utilities... get a TT. then order Darwin's Encyclopedia.

Another exception, I am correcting this Myself... get some IT, and DVD or two on it's use.


Lastly about using IT. Yes, you do NOT want that to be the FIRST thing they see, everything else will more than likely be letdown. BUT after 3 or 4 card effects.. " haunted pack" is a heck of a way to finish your routine Smile

Sleights First... then IT and TT... Then after than get some good gimmicks. But mainly to spice up your routine. The last thing you ever want to say when asked to perform is.." I left my magic stuff at home." Also, if Scotch and Soda sells for $35 for the price of that One effect you can get Expert Coin Magic Made Easy by David Roth, Introduction to Coin Magic by Michael Ammar, or Basic Coin Magic by David Stone.

Personally I think each of those DVD's would be a better value in the long run for Impromptu performances, than Scotch and Soda. Especially if you are starting out.
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