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mud New user Western NY 66 Posts |
Hi everyone, love the forum.
I'm quite new to coin magic, so I picked up a copy of Modern Coin Magic which I'm starting to work through. My only complaint (and an extremely minor one at that) is that it doesn't seem to mention anything about coin tosses, which I happen to be very interested in (controlling the outcome, of course). I was wondering if anyone could recommend some literature/videos/websites on the subject? The only thing promising that I've seen mentioned is a pamphlet called "Heads or Tails" by Gary Kosnitzky, which actually sounds quite interesting, but I was hoping for something which goes into more than one technique, if possible. I've managed to come up with one technique myself (which is very different from the HoT method from the sounds of it) so there has to be at least two ways to perform this feat. I suspect that there are several... Also, are there any terms for common techniques in this field? Just knowing the names might help in searching, since the common words don't yield much useful information in google. |
qureyoon Loyal user Singapore 275 Posts |
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
"The Toss of a Coin" (Larry Jennings): controlling the coin toss.
Found in Kaufman's 'The Collected Almanac'. |
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
GARY/S coin tioss is excellent I RECOMMEND GETTING IT.
This is a very old gamblers ploy that I have been doing all my life there are other methods like spinning a coin on a table and perdicting the out come, with no gimmicked coins there are also a method in John Scarne's book he shows how to gimmick a coin to produce the out come. and finally if you are having trouble just pm me and I will teach you my method of the coin toss. I do not know who the creator is but like I said it is very bold and I have been doing this over 50 years vinny |
mud New user Western NY 66 Posts |
I did some more research, so I thought I'd post here what I found in case anyone else happens to look for this in the future (I mentioned it above, but I'm basically a complete newbie, in case that effects how much weight you think my opinion holds):
I ordered a copy of Gary's Heads or Tails, eagerly awaiting arrival. I have an acquaintance who knows the trick and gave me a demo, it looks better than I could have imagined. Totally effortless looking, and I have no idea how it's done. Really can't wait to see. I also ordered the instant download of Jay Noblezada's method. Quite neat and easy to do. It's not the traditional coin flick with the thumb motion (it's an actual toss from the fingers. I knew this going in as there's a demo video, just mentioning it for completeness). It's still very cool, and I really like it. I still need to make it look a lot cleaner and 100% reliable, but it's really simple to learn. Seems like it will be more easily useful as part of a routine, not like "let's flip a coin" situation by itself (although it could work). I'll have to wait on "The Toss of a Coin", as "The Collected Almanac" is a little out of my budget right this second ($50 - $60 seems the norm), but it's on my "books to buy list" (especially after I get some more general coin skill so I can benefit from the rest of the book). I also found another method here: http://www.coinmanipulation.com/ (click on "The Tricks" on top, and then "Forced Coin Toss" on the left...sorry I couldn't give a direct link, but the site doesn't easily allow that). I think the writeup is a little unclear, as I had to change it a little bit to get it to work. You really need to catch the coin in the palm of your hand and then close your fist over it to feel the face (in order to get it in the right position for the face change). Other than that it's working really nice. This one is free, the whole site is actually. The site has a lot of pretty nice flourishes including coin walks and coin roll downs as well and even some simple routines (using only flourishes). And finally, I found an academic paper on the physics of coin flips that mentions another possible angle: http://www-stat.stanford.edu/~susan/papers/headswithJ.pdf (PDF warning). The paper isn't really about any tricks (it's actually saying that there's a small natural bias in coin flips), but it tangentially mentions that it's possible to make your coin flip so repeatable that you can "force" it to land the same way it starts just by repeating the exact motion. I've been playing with it and it's definitely possible, but it seems very difficult to throw it high or fast (and I think you can really only use big coins or it gets too difficult). Mostly only good for low coin flips, but has the benefit that there's really no gimmick for anyone to see...you're really just flipping a coin. Oh, and thank you all for the advice . |
Gary Kosnitzky Elite user 409 Posts |
Practice the method I teach in "Heads or Tails."
It is not mine. It is the only method that can be perfected to appear indistinguishable from a common thumb flicking, everyday, George Raft style coin flip. I had shown my coin flip to Persi Diaconis and he could not distinguish between my flip and a fair one. In his Dynamical Bias in the Coin Toss" Persi Diaconis cites me on page 2: http://count.ucsc.edu/~rmont/papers/headswithO.pdf Why do you need different techniques when there is one that does the job perfectly? Good Luck on your mission. |
vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Garys method is the only method I know that you hear the klink form your thumbas the coion is flipped,,,,,,this is a great convincer.
the method I use to use was the old gamblers way ,The klink makes this move even more deceptive do you self abib favor and get geads or tails from gary..... vinny ps gary I will see you at palace station LVMI June 8th with Mickey |
mud New user Western NY 66 Posts |
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Why do you need different techniques when there is one that does the job perfectly? Unfortunately I wrote that post before I received "Heads or Tails" in the mail. The method really is beautiful; I don't see myself using any other once I get it down perfectly. Already it's quite difficult to see. I can't wait until I master it. Quote:
Good Luck on your mission. Thanks. And thank you for the excellent publication! |
Gary Kosnitzky Elite user 409 Posts |
Thanks for buying one.
Gary |
mballen11502 Loyal user Memphis, TN 202 Posts |
I'm not familiar with Gary's toss but the Noblezada toss seems suspect to me...just my two cents...
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mud New user Western NY 66 Posts |
Yeah, it'd be hard to pass Noblezada's off as a fair toss, you'd get all kinds of heat.
Gary's on the other hand looks perfect. It doesn't look suspicious at all, you just flip a coin. The coin even looks (and sounds) legit in the air if you do it correctly. |
Gary Kosnitzky Elite user 409 Posts |
I regret publishing "Heads or Tails". It really is too good to just give away for 10 bucks. Some things should really be kept a secret. This was one of those things. I screwed up. I sold out when I released "Heads or Tails."
For what? |
skillzilla Regular user 106 Posts |
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On 2008-05-20 12:44, Gary Kosnitzky wrote: for me |
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