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SeanScottMagic
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I am in need of manipulation cards which are:
-thinnest
-poker size or close to it
-backs will blend with flesh
-flexible
-take little prep
Anyone have a source?
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The thinnest I've seen are the Marvey cards (they come in two thicknesses and have flesh edges), though I hear the Chen cards are thin too. I've always done better with Murphy cards myself, but they aren't as thin. Many people swear by the Nielson cards, but I haven't tried them myself. None of them are poker sized that I know of, all being bridge size. There are also new cards to come out of Asia which are many coloured.

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Murphy has a new poker size manipulation cards... If my memory serves me well. Overall, I still recommend you to use bridge size murphy manipulation cards:)
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The best advice I can give toyou is simply buy a few brands and test them out for yourself. it sounds liek alame answer but is not intended to be. The simple fact is that what works for one may not work well for another. Only you as a performer can determine what will work best for you and your style. Some of the ones to try are Neilson, Juliana Chen and Peter Marvey. I know there are others though but these are the ones I have tried most often.

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It's nice to hear that Murphy's makes a poker size now. Some people will probably prefer them. I might have to give them a try myself.

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If anyone does try out the new Murphy's Poker size ones, I would be interested in hearing your personal review. Thanks in advance. I will also have to try these out.

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I like the Bees. They do take some breaking in but will hold up well. I am very hard on the cards when I do split fans and the Bee hold up well under the usage.

I have also used Norm Nielson cards and they are a great choice. They are priced right and are a joy to fan. Very thin, you can back palm almost the whole deck.

I do not like the Marvey cards.

I have Julieanna Chen cards and they are good but very small. I also have the Murphy's manipulation cards. Very nice, back palm and fan very well but will not hold up under a lot of usage.
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I just typically use bees or bicycle brand cards. I just work them in and break them in before performing and they work great for me. I did this out of necessity for when I used to do them in my older act I changed them into jumbo cards etc and the backs had to all match in order to make any sense.

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Thank you very much everyone. Greatly, greatly appreciated. One annoying thing I have found on several dealer websites is that the size of manipulation decks offered is not always given in the description. Seems like a rather important bit of information to be omitted. Hmmm. Too bad we don't have a B.B.B. for these situations. LOL.

One other question, anyone have tips on their particualr prep for breaking down cards? Getting them to fan efficiently and making them as soft as possible?

I just started playing with using a hand grinder with a very rough grit. The norm of course is to use the ruler and scrape, scrape, etc.. With grinding, you just don't want to thin them too much or you will distort the surface on the other side for fanning. Maybe changing to a smoother grit is the key. The sanding pad was about 4" I think, will try using a dremmel tool. Sounds a bit overkill I know, you should see the size of piranha I use to mill down the edges of my half dollars. Don't tell PITA, lets see them try to smash n grab these fish!

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BEE Cards are superb for manipulation with the caveat that they are prepared properly! I have found over the years that the preparation outlined in Arthur Buckley's CARD CONTROL results in a super smooth performing deck, treated very sparingly with fanning powder (emphasis on "sparingly").

I have had decks last for a very long time and as they worked, they became extremely supple to the touch, a great feeling when producing the fans.

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Ok, I need to clean up the sarcasm....I meant PETA.
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Manipulation cards only need fanning powder. They are already thin and flexible. The long prep for regular cards are as described in many books and videos on card manipulation.
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Mike McEathron
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I like Norm Nelsen cards

Only thing is they don't last for ever, and a card press is needed
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Vernet now has manipulation cards on the market. They are crazy thin, too thin for me. The backs are flesh-colored, however they are bridge, not poker size. I bought a few decks just to play around with.

Personally, I use Norm's cards only..
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Thank you Bojanbarisic, I was interested in these:

http://www.seomagic-usa.com/catalog/prod......5459f209

Because they resemble Bees... however the 4-corner indicies are a discrepancy... but I'll still have to give them a try!
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Very good cards. I have been using them for last 6 years. Make sure to buy good wax for them. They hold wax much better than fanning powder.
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I just ordered two of the decks and an order of 4 sticks of wax. How do you recommend waxing them, any particular method or just basically wipe em down? Thanks again.
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Stevens magic just received the UGM poker size, 4 Index, similar to Bee back, manipulation cards.

I do not recommed the wax method of preparing cards for manipulation. Powder the better way to go in my experience.

You must work in the wax and smooth with your fingers 52 cards.
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