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The english instructions for his Astrostar were impenetrably bad. The effect itself may be great, but I have no idea since neither I nor anyone I've shown the instructions to can decipher them. Given that, I think concerns about the translation for this effect are entirely valid.
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Hi again,

about the pictures, that is the main differance to all the other booktest I have seen so far.

You do not have to ask or fish for a letter, the person concentrates on the word and tries to see it in their mind and that is what you are picking up on. So you do seem to get a picture, a feeling, a structur and in the end the word.

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I like the idea behind this book test but my concern is the actual book supplied and used. Has the book been translated and if so, how good is the English?
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On 2008-05-11 21:19, Jim-Callahan wrote:
...Ok Slick, then let us know who you are were you perform & mayhap your website...


Anyone know if Yahoo Babel Fish can translate Jimglish?

...Note: There is a booktest called "The Grandmother of all Booktests" included in a manuscript that was published by Jack Dean's Stagecraft. Though it doesn't appear to be the same effect that is being described here.
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As far as seeing the 'picture' that the spec is thinking of, MOABT allows you to do that as well. All the words that are used in MOABT are nouns, and can be visualized as pictures, if you wish to perform it that way (which I do).
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On 2008-05-15 17:17, todsky wrote:
As far as seeing the 'picture' that the spec is thinking of, MOABT allows you to do that as well. All the words that are used in MOABT are nouns, and can be visualized as pictures, if you wish to perform it that way (which I do).

But the method of revealing the word/picture is a different one. And in my opinion it´s more believable, because you decribe a scene that becomes clearer and clearer.
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O.k., I would prefer not saying anything, but all book tests of Edward Stein are really superb. I got MOABT 1 and 2 (of course in German), his excellent S-72 which I regularly perform (in my opinion his best work) and some more... if not all... I have to attest that Edward Stein just doesn't do "half things". My Highest recommendations. You just are never taking risks buying from him!
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I don't speak German..Where can I purchase it?
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If you look at one posting by Arnon in this thread, you can see the link to Miracle makers.

There you can get the book.

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That Link is in German?
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On 2008-05-16 07:42, LukeB wrote:
That Link is in German?


Yes, here is the direct link to the booktest miracle-makers.de

This English version is very new and I think his basic idea was to offer his booktest also in English for the German mentalist performing for an international audience. I think that´s the reason why you can´t find an english blurb. But I could also imagine that he will translate it for international customers, if the gets feedback and questions from you.

But, I don´t know it, I just could picture so, because I´m not a friend of Edward Stein, I not even know him, I´m just a happy customer of his products.
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Thanks for that CinChiller.I would order one right now if I could navigate the website,but,alas, after the product description, everything is in German.
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Not only that but it mentions there is a discounted price for orders placed before 1st July but on clicking the German order form, it cites the full non discounted price.
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On 2008-05-16 08:27, CinChiller wrote:
I think that´s the reason why you can´t find an english blurb. But I could also imagine that he will translate it for international customers, if the gets feedback and questions from you.



You're right!

"Someone flicks through a book, reads in it and remembers one of the words. You look at the person and tell him without any detours what he is thinking of in detail. Yes, you can tell exactly the word he has in mind! You have read everything correctly – the dream of every mentalist has come true. This is the book test in it´s purest and most direct form! That is what always has been meant referring to the effect of a book test but has now been realized for the first time ever.
The facts:
You can present the effect alone and under all possible conditions of performance. Nothing has to be forced, nothing is asked, nothing has been written down, there is no need for pumping or fishing for words.
The spectator opens the book at random, pages through it, reads something and finally keeps any word that suits him in mind. In a word: He chooses the word absolutely free!
There is no need to secretly glimpse any information so the performer is able to stand widely apart from the spectator. And despite (might be because of) the uniquely clear and fair procedure you are able to present an almost incredible mindreading.
You will need nothing else than the book. Your hands are absolutely empty during the whole performance. The handling will be mastered perfectly after a short while. Even for a person who ownes the book that is used himself and has read it there will be not the slightest doubt that this is the original book. He is allowed to read some pages and still will confirm that this is the contents he is familiar with.
The title used in this effect is one of the worlds most famous detective novels. You will recieve a 100 % original looking hard cover book including original illustrations. Worldwide exclusive edition, limited to 500 copies.

Price 150,-- € (until the 1st of July 2008 subscription price only 99,-- €). To be delivered from the 1st of August."
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I like my second translation better - hehehehehehe. Smile

Unfortunately, the website now has Hogle's translation instead.

Oh well....
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Perhaps I am missing something - if so then apologies.

Earlier in this thread there was talk of 'pictures'. Was that in reference to something else?

If not, why is there no reference to this presumable compromise in the sales patter?
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On 2008-05-18 14:51, kriskraze wrote:
Perhaps I am missing something - if so then apologies.

Earlier in this thread there was talk of 'pictures'. Was that in reference to something else?

If not, why is there no reference to this presumable compromise in the sales patter?


You understood something wrong. I didn´t mean pictures physicaly as I mentioned that the mentalist recieves pictures and not letters or just a simple word.
An example:
If you say "I see an E. Your word has an E in it - right? Yes of course it has, because you think at "monkey". Is that right?" than you just recieve a letter or word.
But if you want the spectator to visualize the word, to imagine a scene, than you recieve "pictures". You say: "Imagine the word you chose as object that you can feel, when you touch it. Try to imagine that. Oh, I see it´s a light one. I see shiny material...but it´s soft...Try to imagine to use this object. Oh, I can see it´s something wear around your neck. It´s a tie."
This is just a short example for what I mean with recieving "pictures".
I hope, I could clear up your question concerning any pictures within the grandmother. Smile
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Hmm, well if it appears how I think it appears, it certainly does seem superior to MOABT.
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It certainly sounds interesting - although ordering details are a little confusing. A discount is offered for orders placed before July but there is no indication of how to get this, as the ordering button is for the full non discounted amount.
If the order page could also be given in English, this would hopefully make things much easier to understand.
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Hey does anyone know if the Included instructions are In English?
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