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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Deano, I am not being confusing, I am stating facts.
Step one, have an act. Step two be realistic about where your act falls. Step three build a long lasting relationship that has a solid foundation. Step four, well there is really no step four. Just have a great life LOL. As for our thin skinned friend, really if you leave a forum because of someone else go cry to yourself in the mirror buddy. Where did I say I was better than anyone? Matter of fact my WHOLE POINT is that I AM NOT BETTER THAN ANYONE. Heck at a point we ALL become interchangeable to many clients. So what sets one person apart from another? Aside needless to say from big names? What makes them want to hire you VS hire another person? Is it some course you bought telling you a "technique" to apply? NO! It is a relationship you build which gives them confidence in YOU. YOU are your product. YOU are the one who eliminates the headache (be it for a night, a week, once a week, or for years) from the clients head about entertainment. THAT is what is going to make you special. That is what is going to set you apart from everyone else. Is my act unique? Show me where I made that claim please I would love to see it. Is it "me"? Oh heck yea. But brother hypnosis has been around for hundreds of years, the show does follow a certain formula out of NECESSITY, Dean will tell you this. So why should anyone hire anything but the CHEAPEST HYPNOTIST? You have to give them a reason, and that reason is the relationship. Am I better at my show than anyone>? For my environment I am good. BEST? Don't want the responsability. To the client, you take away their headaches, and you will be shocked. Like I said man your reading a lot in here that does not exist and you need to understand nobody is insulting you, nobody is trying to hurt your feelings. Re read this post and it should be clear. I DID NOT ATTACK you accept for maybe the cry comment, but you earned that LOL. Llike I said I am not better, at least not at my show. Better at relationships with clients and understand sales better? That is possible. POSSIBLE does not mean I am saying you are bad.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
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Step one, have an act. Again Danny... DUH. Is anyone disagreeing with this simplistic outline? I don't see it if they are. Why the fuss? Again we all "get" this the premise, (Like who wouldn't) but what does it have to do with this subject right here, right now accept in general, basic terms??? We GET IT... now what about the subject at hand? Thinking of YOU and Your Success! Deano in Reno <>< Gone all day again DOING… have an awesome day and holiday!
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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RobertBloor Inner circle The Socialist Republic of the USA. 1051 Posts |
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Danny: Step one, have an act. So easily said. So difficult to do.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,"
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
OH Dean, LOTS disagree, not in principal but in execution.
It is FAR tougher than the simplistic outline. Those steps actually take many years to accomplish.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
OK, we get it (again and again… HA!) that "you think some do not have good acts". Nice ‘distraction’, but one more time, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH "THIS" CONVERSATION?? (“Specifically”!) I realize you can make ANYTHING stretch to work, but really...?? Can we stay on topic, or at least close? (Heheheheheheheeeee!)
HERE is the original question: (Again) Quote:
Anyone have a review on the Eric Paul theater booking course? I have a large show that I do about 75 times per year, but I would like to expand my market to bigger and better venues. I have found that many marketing courses that I buy are of little help for the size of show I do and my type of client. Is this course for me? ...just asking. D
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Hey Dean were you elected moderator or something? What's the problem exactly?
See here is the point. Since you INSIST on asking the question and being disagreeable, here is your answer. Try to book a theater with a sucky act. It has a LOT to do with it. I will admit it does not fit into your "everyone is great" parameters, but really Deano we also get your point. Since you are a last word sort of guy, go ahead.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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jl1717 New user 39 Posts |
Danny,
I have a sincere question for you and as of late I hope you can appreciate my sincereness and ligitimate inquieries. What makes an act (especially a magic act) worthy of being booked into a theater? I was talking with a great theater performer and he was telling me that it is very hard to make an act theatrical enough to have any life in the theater business. He mentioned Max Maven for example. Max Maven is a great performer/entertainier/whatever you'd like to call him, but his act is mostly a club style act. So when bookign a theater what is it that makes a magic act worthy enough to be in the theater? I've been thinking a lot about this and might start another thread if this gets off topic, but I would love to hear what others think about this. My view is that an act like Copeprfield's, Lance Burton's, Jeff McBride, etc. are all theater worthy simply because the act they present has to be controlled by lighting, sound, etc. They don't do acts that can be performed in clubs, at banquet halls, in private homes, like most of us do. So, another question Danny, do you know HOW to make an act "theater-worthy?" I know that might be asking a lot, but I think it might be an interesting topic of discussion. I am redesigning my show so it fits within the "theater-worthy" perameters I think theater acts should have. Instead of making my show a "trick demonstration" like so many acts, and yes, I am guilty of it too, I want my theater show to have a story. Let's begin...... |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
A theater act put simply must be "theatrical". This is not a cop out.
You need to know how to work front of the curtain, while they set up and change sets back of the curtain. You need to know how to have purposfull movement on stage. How do you engage an entire audience of HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of people. You need to consider stage pictures, you need to think about blocking issues. Routining is ESSENTIAL for these considerations. A "theater worthy" show is not an easy thing to come up with. WHICH WAS MY POINT IN THE FIRST PLACE! LOL. (sorry I digress.) You need to have them wanting to tell people they saw you. You need to grab their attention and keep it for 90 minutes + an intermission and make them want to pay what the theater has to charge! Not easy when we are approaching $5 gas now is it? Set their hair on fire, and look for water the rest of the show! Your personality has to trancend the footlights. You have to engage ALL of them almost on an individual basis. See this is where I part company with ol Deano. He seems to think EVERYONE has these things. I do not. While I am not of the belief that a "theater worthy" show needs to tell any sort of story, I am of the belief that it must engage the audience on many levels. It must by the end of it define who you are as a charector as a performer. It must have them wanting to know about you. It must take them on a ride of ups and downs and all arounds. I recomend a director. Someone who has ONE vision for your show, who can watch it from the other side of the footlights, and can see what it is you are doing. None of these things are easy mind you. It is why so many fail. This really is what I meant by "have an act". You youself have hit the distinction right on the head. Being able to "fill the stage" with your personality is an amazing trait. No matter how many boxes you have, without the personality to back it up, it falls flatter than a pancake. I say NONE of this to sound as if I am better than anyone. I am not saying I can do that with a magic act. My hypnosis act covers a large stage but all those things STILL need to be considered. I think far too many people buy tricks, learn shows, and never learn the WHY of things being done. We concentrate so much on the HOW that motivation escapes us. Sorry for the rant, but I have always thought that that most performers could stand to learn a bit more about "theater" and a bit less about magic. I think it would make them better 'performers' if you ask me. (myslef included by the way) Rant over.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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jl1717 New user 39 Posts |
Danny,
Much appreciated. While I don't have the money to hire a director, I'd love to learn more about routining, blocking, etc. Do you know of any resources (books, DVDs, etc.) that would help? I was thinking Joanie Spina's videos would help scratch the surface. I admit I am new to this market, but think that with proper planning, practice I can crack it. Thanks for your help! |
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Jim Snack Inner circle 1338 Posts |
I just have to add one thing to Danny's excellent description of "What makes an act (especially a magic act) worthy of being booked into a theater?"
It has to be able to put bodies in seats! By all means fill a stage with the strength of your personality, but fill the house on the strength of your name, reputation, quality of show and promotion (word of mouth, advertising, photos, posters, TV and radio, etc.) If you can do that, you can work in theaters. If a theater can make money with your show, they will be interested in talking with you. By the way, if you want to learn more about routining, blocking, etc, simply volunteer at your local community theater, or pick up a college course or two. And don't forget your local dance companies. Take a class. You might even meet someone who would be willing to give you some direction at no cost. Jim |
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MrHyde Special user 810 Posts |
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On 2008-05-26 17:59, Dannydoyle wrote: This is great advice. I don't know how many of you have read the cover story on Raymond Crowe in Magic Magazine this month, but that was exactly one of the points raised in the article. Raymond has throughout his career taken time to get other people to sit out there in the audience and make notes. And then he's taken the advice onboard and acted on it. I believe this has a lot to do with his current phenomenal success. Timothy |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Hey Danny,
I am not being disagreeable at all... just asking a legitimate question. Hey I AGREE 110% that we should have a GREAT ACT, no one is disputing that fact. (Are They?) Sure some don't... I think we all agree to that as well, AND I agree that having a great act is an underlying theme in just every single discussion here at the Café, I just don't understand the animosity, that's all. No biggy... I'm fine with that facts, both about Eric's System as well as the ever-present ideal that we all should have a great act. I have always advocated for a real “director” since day 1! There are even a few killer discussion HERE about that very subject! – Whoo Hoo! I spent years touring the highways, byways of the good ol’ USA (Bus n’ Truck) [as well as the world] with many different theatrical productions with delightfully phenomenal success for ALL parties involved. Though most of my shows were quite large, (Not HUGE, but over 40 in cast a crew in some cases) some more tidy with as few as 2 to 10, I agree that individuals can quite easily fit the profile of a “theatrical” worthy event for sure as well having seen many as well as doing quite a run with just my one-man shows. EACH had their pluses and minuses for sure, but all were well received and VERY successful. I'm with-ya' brother... it's ok. Whoo Hoo… NEXT! I am at your service and In HIS Service, Deano (been there, done that) in Reno <>< Posted: May 27, 2008 1:41pm Thanks for all the PM's & eMails guys... I will get back to you as soon as I can! I'm on the go! Deano (just helping out) in Reno <><
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
I'll chime in. I hadn't heard about this course before, but I am going to seek it out, to compare the information to my experience. as was stated early on in the thread, I work almost exclusively in the theater market, and have made a great income doing it. But I have never done the APAP route, and have rarely had success with a traditional marketing strategy. I 4 wall and 2 wall 90% of the time. It is both the easiest and hardest way to work theaters. However, when done correctly it can be profitable. I will be releasing my book on the subject in August, but I would definitely recommend anyone who is interested in this market read anything and everything available.
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Christopher Starr Inner circle Heart of America 1850 Posts |
Glad to hear that you are FINALLY releasing a book on the subject! Put me on your waiting list Big John!
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inhumaninferno Elite user 452 Posts |
More than one kind of "theatre show". Not all are "broadway" or "vegas" productions. Sell 'em exactly what you're selling with the right show and "angles", you don't need all that overblown schtuff. Still a top show, still makes everyone happy.
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Natural Mystic Special user Atlanta, GA 509 Posts |
"You never change the existing reality by
fighting it. Instead, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
The above link has the clip removed.
Here's Big Daddy Cool and man, can this cat swing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVABIUNNgRE
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the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Paul_Rheaume New user 59 Posts |
I have it too. and the first thing that I will say is that it is basicly the same idea that I and several friends were doing back in 1995. It worked then as it will work now. Not only did I get reminded of what I was doing 13 yrs ago(i have been away from magic for 11 yrs) but he also showed me why the way we were doing it was not profitable enough. Our way made a few bucks---but his was can easily make thousands. not only did he tell me to do what I already had done---but his system showed me ways to get it booked, and use it to get publicity at the same time. there was info on things I had never considered (bor, follow up and more). Yep---i paid good money for the same old idea that I had used several times before! But this time he showed me how to make the bucks with it! Kinda reminds me of an old trick that I had(think it was a drop model productrion box) well I decided to get a new and different box from one of the New England dealers. His description of this new box(labled with the inside and outside etc) looked like somthing I needed. Low and behold, 3 weeks later I unpacked a brand new shinny drop model production box!!! LOL (very creative description of the trick). At least with Eric's course, there was a lot on new ideas and support info that made what I already knew into a really usable system. Do I regret the purchase? Not a bit. I would probably not have gone back to what I was doing in 95 cause it just wasn't profitable enough. But this man has worked out the bugs. Another thing about the system is that it is a theater system, but it is not limited to that only. It can be used as a foundation for marketing in many other venues too.
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Bradacal Special user 591 Posts |
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On 2008-05-29 21:29, Christopher Starr wrote: Me too! |
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BIlly James Special user 991 Posts |
Sorry to continue to derail this thread, but just a quick comment.
I agree that trying to book a sub-par act into a theatre (or even a great parlor act into a theatre) is a recipe for disaster. However, the other side of that coin is that you can have a great pollished act but unless people know about it you aint going anywhere. Therefore, I really think that some of these marketing courses have a valid place in magicdom, even if it is only to inspire. Cheers Billy James |
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