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Lawrence O
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The thinking behind the effects in Craig Petty's DVD is truly great, but his handling of the basic false transfers is really terrible, and he based his tape on one opening move for the Flipper which screens the gaff. Troy Hooser has a much more open move to open the gaff. Along the same line, look at the elegance of Eric Jones movement on YouTube.
Mind you, it does make a difference in the audience perception that an effect is really magic.
So it's probably a good advice to buy Craig Petty's DVD and rework the false transfers with Ascanio In Transit approach and rereading the Vernon Touch in the Vernon Book of Magic.
In all fairness, nevertheless, Craig Petty's routine structure is nothing short of brilliant.
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Craig Petty
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Thanks for your comments, Lawrence.

It is a interesting thing you bring up with regards to the false transfers I use in my DVDs. Obviously, I have learnt all the (for want of a better word) 'fancy' vanishes with coins. However, when I perform this material to laymen, the vanishes I put on the DVD are the vanishes I actually use. The reason is the actual vanish of the coin is secondary to the actual routine and the presentation behind it. I have said before these are actual routines I use in the real world, day in and day out, and I wanted to capture them on DVD the way I actually perform them and make my living from. To a layman, the vanish does not matter; the coin goes. Who cares how it goes, it just goes.

So, I have a serious question. On future projects, would you rather I use a more complex vanish and teach that to show magicians my technique is better than I obviously come across at the moment? Or, would you rather I use the false transfer I actually use in the real world to real people and teach the way I actually perform the routine?

I mean, people might think I am talking rubbish, but to me the actual technique behind vanishing the coin is less important than the actual moment you open your hand and show the coin gone. Yes, it still has to look good, but I feel the false transfers I use look good - the trouble is, to magicians they are very basic, but sometimes basic is not bad.
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Craig,
On your future projects, I'd like to see the false transfers you actually use in the real world to real people and teach the way you actually perform the routine.

I, like probably a lot of coin enthusiasts, are always tweaking and fiddling with routines; i.e., handling, sleights, coins used, performance style, etc.

So, personally, I'd like to see what works for you in real performance situations.
We can always change sleights, handlings, false transfers, etc., as we see fit, without taking away (hopefully) the magic.

Lawrence - Thanks for the observations. It's food for thought.
Jim.
rutabaga
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I don't have this DVD yet, but I'm wondering... Lawrence's comment seems to be about the "handling" of the false transfer, rather than the use of the false transfer itself.

Craig's response seems to be about the false transfer itself vs. more complex sleights.

I'm confused....
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Not to be off topic...but I had to mention.

Hey, Lawrence, has anyone ever told you.....well, you...

http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Pro......2706.jpg

'Cause I would say, yeah...you do.

On topic, I like Joshua Jay's 3 coin complete vanish.

Shawn
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Oxy Clean is just beautiful coin magic. My inspiration to get both gaffs and start working seriously on some coin magic.
Lawrence O
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On 2008-08-05 05:16, Craig Petty wrote:
So, I have a serious question. On future projects, would you rather I use a more complex vanish and teach that to show magicians my technique is better than I obviously come across at the moment? Or, would you rather I use the false transfer I actually use in the real world to real people and teach the way I actually perform the routine?

I mean, people might think I am talking rubbish, but to me the actual technique behind vanishing the coin is less important than the actual moment you open your hand and show the coin gone. Yes, it still has to look good, but I feel the false transfers I use look good - the trouble is, to magicians they are very basic, but sometimes basic is not bad.


Sorry to see that a part of my comment did upset you. It was meant to be positive criticism and obviously failed.
Basic is very good and, if you read my post without feeling insulted, you see that I'm not talking about fancy moves or vanishes, I'm referring to the Vernon Touch, which (I'm sure you know) concerns the French Drop. You cannot be more basic than that.
I 100% agree with you that basic is very good. It should not stop us from fine tuning them in order to make even more deceptive. I've been doing and studying magic for 51 years, and I spent a good part of 2007 to work at basic false transfers and how they can be made more deceptive, where misdirection should be input in these very basic moves.
I think we would agree that, for many years, Michael Rubinstein knows coin magic pretty well. This didn't prevent him at reconsidering "basic" moves like the shuttle pass, the change-over palm, and the heel clip steal (not to name false transfers so as to avoid a bitter debate).
I never had any intention to offend you, so please accept my apologies and re-read the part of my post which was sincerely complimentary on your DVD: you are producing extremely clever magic routines (I sincerely mean it).
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Review King
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I didn't see that Craig Petty was insulted. He was asking for feedback on future projects. I like the way he does it now. The moves he uses for lay people works for me.

I have Craig's flipper DVD, and it is INCREDIBLE!!
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Hi,
I own both Flipped Out and Attack of the Bag, and the post office just informed me that Mirage Coins is in and ready for pick up. Lots of excellent material on both, and I can't wait until I check out Mirage Coins. The reviews are excellent. Check out what Eric Jones and Bill Palmer have to say. You can't beat those kudos.

Craig - Keep up the good work.
Jim
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JJ Sanvert has a very nice multi-phase Three Fly routine on his L&L DVDs. A shell and flipper are used in one phase to transform the three coins from silver dollars to Chinese coins. Great trick.
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