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adniroc New user 18 Posts |
You write:
(which would mean you'd have to not only memorize the first 6 lines but also the page number relevant to those lines and the position of each line on the page and each word in the line!) Yep, that is the problem but I have been doing some hardcore memorization the last couple years such as remembering hundreds and hundreds of trivial questions and half the subtitles to a movie and memorizing hundreds of shuffled decks and thousands of random numbers. So even though it´s a hard job, it would not be extremely difficult. But is it worth it compared to the best book-tests on the market? |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
As a professional actor who has memorized thousands of lines of Shakespeare, etc., I have to say memorizing the first 6 lines of every page of a 200 page book would not be as difficult as you may think. I would recommend speaking the relevant text (starting with the page number, of course) into a recording walkman and then play it back throughout the day, repeating each line while visualizing the text. (With this in mind, it might be worthwhile to choose a book with easily visualized images--Jurassic Park say--rather than some esoteric text.) I'd say 10 pages a day is easily attainable.
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adniroc New user 18 Posts |
Hi Martin,
Thanks for your input. Do you really believe 10 pages a day would be possible? Remember, you would need to memorize the words so well that if I said I thought of page 138, line 4, the third word then you would be able to recall the word. In other words, you would need to remember the exact order of every single word on every page and also being able to recall the word within 30 seconds or something like that!!! Thanks |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
When I say 10 pages a day, I am referring to the suggestion of using 6 lines to a page. don't forget, if you were really trying to mentally tune into the word on a page it would appear to take a lot of effort, so I would just learn the lines and mentally count to the word. In fact, combine this with elements of Canasta's book test and you could have something rather awesome.
Having said that, I personally use either Andrews or Hoy. |
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I would also recommend not memorizing EVERY word. Learn only the words that are made of 5 letters or more. Then force them into thinking "of a 'good' word".
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shinobi Loyal user Durban, South Africa 272 Posts |
Hmmm...
you couldn't just memorize six lines continuously, but where each line begins and ends ( since diff. lines have diff. numbers of words) Also the obvious drawback no one has mentioned yet, is that you are limited to that specific book. Sorry if this all sounds negative. If you can pull it off GREAT for you! |
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kuffs Special user 791 Posts |
I wonder why so much work to do this simple effect, the audience will never know how much work you have done to arrive at the effect...So why?
Use a hidden cue sheets, and you will have present the exact same effect, from a spectator point of view...I know, I have done this method my self for years... Humbly Kuffs |
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dpe666 Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I agree with Kuffs. Keep it simple. Whether you have the page memorized or you have a cue sheet, or you "cheated" and forced the page # and word, it is all the same to a lay audience. I still contend that, done right, The Hoy Book Test is the best.
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GothicBen Veteran user England 353 Posts |
I'll agree with dpe666. The Hoy Book Test is easy to do, and totally impromptu. It was the first test I ever learned, and I STILL do it today.
However, for some other, cool, and impromptu effect, Richard Busch has a few in PEEK PERFORMANCES. Ben |
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Andy Leviss Inner circle NYC 1179 Posts |
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On 2003-03-25 06:35, markthorold wrote: Actually, it's called "Anywhere Whenever", and it's NOT Lee's, and is fully and properly credited on the SYZYGY tape and when it was originally published. I'm going from memory since I'm away for the weekend and can't check, but I'm pretty sure it's Ty Kralin's; if somebody else can either confirm or correct that attribution, please do. Yet another case of Ammar-esque Mistaken Attribution Syndrome (AMAS), when an effect is taught with permission and clearly credited to the originator on another person's video, but it still gets referred to time and again as a creation of the teacher, and not the originator. Lee is not the creator of the majority of the material on that set of tapes, and he never claimed to be. He clearly credits the originators of each effect, who so kindly contributed them to SYZYGY, can't we give them credit where it's due, too?
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Chris A. Inner circle AKA Chris A. 1123 Posts |
Um, Andy? While your point is well taken, perhaps it belongs in another thread?
The actual topic at hand is: Quote: What's your most favorite book test?
AKA Chris A.
Keepin' the Funk Alive |
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Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
I'll throw in my two cents on the memorization ploy. Although I think it is a unique idea, and very interesting; I do agree with others that you are putting more work in it than is needed. For instance: by throwing in the dice stuff; to some people it might come off as a trick, where the dice are loaded or tricked up in some way. The fact that you have to know what number page they are at will also not help; it seems like the miracle you are going for.
Keep it simple. As Kuffs and others have said: just have a cue sheet somewhere, and look at the required line when they call out the page number. In reality, the fact that you will memorize that many pages is a feat in itself; and you can present it that way. You can actually say you have memorized all those pages and lines; and will prove it by having people go through the book, stop at a page and pick one of the lines and you start to recite it. Believe me, that will look incredible by itself. Similar to Barrie Richardson's effect of memorizing a magazine. Just my opinion. Greg.
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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adniroc New user 18 Posts |
Hi guys,
Thanks for all your input. The only book-test I know so far is Maven's book test; from his "Mind" dvd volume 1. I can't do that, because I live in a non-English speaking country. The other book tests you are talking about...would it be possible to do those in a language other than English? Thanks. |
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kuffs Special user 791 Posts |
If you search for it, you will find a couple of books in French for the Maven routine. I should know: I am French, and I have some already. But, I'll keep it for me... lol.
The Hoy method his perfect for any kind of book, even for people from outer space. If you want to learn more about book tests, try to get your hands on a book called "Mainly Mental Volume 2 " by C.L Boarde. It's like an encyclopedia for book tests. There are several ideas; not all practiceable or good, but great food for thought!!! And don't ask me where to find it...do some research. It's part of the fun. Along the search, you will find other links to others things; and this is how knowlegde is built, my friend. It's a very important road to creativity. Hope this helps, Kuffs |
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shrink Inner circle 2609 Posts |
In this day and age of technology, moving away from paper to electronic resources; do you think there will be an effect involving a random search on the internet?
Possibilities? |
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Sven Rygh Inner circle Oslo, Norway. 1945 Posts |
Check out Max Maven's "Automne". I have tried it; and it's very, very good.
Max also has a close up magazine test, which really is amazing. Try it. Sven adniroc: No problem in using Max Maven's book test, even though you don't live in an English speaking country. I live in Norway, and have used "Automne" for a couple of years. Each time, I got through- including one English book among the three. If you can't get the right book, Amazon has got it. Sven
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adniroc New user 18 Posts |
Hi Sven,
Doesn´t your audience think it´s a bit weird that you use an English book, even though most Norwegians know some English? Max Maven's book test is good; but I don´t like the idea that three hundred other performers are using the same book as Maven. That is suspicious; even though most people would never know. |
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Jim Robinson Loyal user 260 Posts |
As far as the memorization goes... this could be much more managable to memorize only the first 6 WORDS of each page... (memorize a sentence or fragment, easy to count to word) instead of lines but even this seems like a waste of time. 30 minutes a day spent on presentation/rehearsal for 10 months seems like a more reasonable use of time. I'm not against memorization; I know pi to 100th decimal, Zufall's "Knight's Tour", and a short-cut method for day-of-the-week calendar work that requires a memorized number for each year of 20th and 21st centuries. There are just so many good book tests. I like Automne and Jim Steinmeyer has a 2 dictionary book test in MAGIC (September '02, I think) that I am considering adding to my repertoire.
Robinson.
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... He to who this emotion is a stranger ... is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." Albert Einstein |
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Eddini_81976 Inner circle 2183 Posts |
I have the Meir Yedid W.O.W. booktest. It was at that time $40.00. I think it is "okay", but I think it would be done as a memory feat instead of mindreading which I plan to do once I get a "better" book test. With the W.O.W. booktest even though you can show the randomness of the first and last word of each page, they will still think you have somehow memorized the words. I like some of the booktest test in the 13 steps to mentalism especially "The Clip Book" by Vivian St. John. Even though some writing is done, there is still no forcing, and they TRULY CAN have ANY word they want. You may have to thumb through the book with them making sure the very front doesn't open, and show and point to the randomness of the words, but I still think this would be a really good book test. Does anyone know if this booktest is still on the market and what name it goes by? I just don't like the forcing of picking a card, or rolling dice to come up to a page number myself, thanks. Ed, (Eddini).
Oh yes I also like the book test in Anneman's book "40,000 words", by Sid Lorayne. That is on page 71 in Practical Mental Effects. The Clip Book by Vivian St. John is on page 218, in the 13 steps to mentalism. One day I would like to get the MOABT. I've heard that this seems to be the absolute best. I did hear (I don't want to give away any methods though), that you have to memorize *0 words though. I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I hear its very good nonetheless. Ed, (Eddini).
"Treat Others As You'd Want To Be Treated" - Jesus Christ
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jo Regular user 177 Posts |
Perhaps I am going a bit blind staring at this radiated screen, but no-one has mentioned the Astrology booktest by Samual Schwartz. I was given this a while back (without instructions). I read the book from cover to cover and tried to find the method for its working. Finally I got hold of the instructions and was blown away.
There are several ways in which to use the book (more than ten!) and just as many effects. Using a cue sheet (though), you can determine the exact birthdate of your spectator, give a brief cold reading based on star sign etc, all from one word, which you can receive as a test in mind reading/telepathy if you like. This is very clever stuff indeed. And even with the cue sheet visible in my hand I still knocked the socks off some friends 'in the know'. that's my 50 cents! Jo |
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