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bobser Inner circle 4183 Posts 
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Ok so I had a bit too much to drink last night and I accepted a gig (too long a story). The only problem is it's a hypnotist stage show and I've never done one before. I've been a therapist of many years but let's face it, it's a whole new thing.
Anyway, it's last week in August so that gives me 'some'time. If there's anyone out there who would like to give advice or even mentor me, speak now or forever hold your tongue. And yes, I do know that the moment I hit 'submit' I'll regret it (or as you read this: did regret it) bobser
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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martin king Elite user 416 Posts
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On 2008-05-28 20:25, bobser wrote: I would strongly advise you to go to http://www.stagehypnosiscenter.com and order Mr Ronnings hardbound book 'Geoff Ronnings Guide To Modern Day Stage Hypnosis. Hope this helps, probably not. There, you can start regretting it now! Warm regards, Martin |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts
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Bobser,
Good for you for making the leap. I'll ensure you are ready by giving you any help I can. Anthony
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bobser Inner circle 4183 Posts
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Thankyou Anthony for once again stretching the English hand of friendship across Hadrian's Dyke. Although there may be a French connection with you. That would mean the 'auld alliance' is back and in good working order. I like it! Much better than the two death threats I've been PM'd with (think it's Mindpunisher but I can't be positive).
And thank you for your advice Martin, but I want to smell the sawdust and taste the blood this time around. bobser
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mota Inner circle 1658 Posts
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I agree with the recommendation of Geoff Ronning's Guide To Modern Day Stage Hypnosis. I believe it is much more practical than McGill's older work (you can also get it on amazon).
Having said that you should also look at the ad in this section for the vegas stage hypnotism site (link follows in case it is easier). So, at minimum I would suggest Ronning's book and three DVD's from http://www.vegasstagehypnosis.com/ Michael JOHNS and RICHARD NONGARD present "Stage Hypnosis Exposed" TERRY STOKES presents "Stage Show Induction: How to Hypnotize Anyone" RICHARD NONGARD and JOHN CERBONE present "SKITS AND BITS: Learn How to Create Astonishing Stage Hypnosis Skits and Routines" Then go see as many stage hypnotists as you can. Work your butt off on your pre-talk, rehearse it until you hear it in your sleep. This is a critical part of the show. Know what skits you are going to do...rehearse the entire show. Set up a bunch of chairs, put stuffed animals or Higley zbits in them and do the show. Do NOT do any type of age regression or anything even remotely physically dangerous. You cannot be dumb when you do a show like this...you need all the common sense you can get. You must be honest...if you make impulsive decisions or show poor judgment you are better off canceling the show. This isn't two card monte. |
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bobser Inner circle 4183 Posts
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Thanks for taking the time mota, and the good advice (yes I'm aware of the necessity for a great pre-talk). I think my biggest challenge is the one I would most want to do. And that is seeing stage hypnotists at work. I'm based in Scotland and aren't any guys here (that I've heard of)who I could ask to mentor me. I normally learn best by watching and copying. Next best thing of course is Audio Visuals. I actually did ask one a couple weeks ago (goes under the name of BUSBY) but he didn't seem keen. It was obvious he wanted to know what was in it for him to allow me to stand and watch. LOL.
For what it's worth I'm aware of different styles of performer. I have no challenges whatsoever with those guys who want to put people on fire, have them cry, strip naked etc: since that's up to the individual and I don't want ever to get involved insuch an argument. it serves no real purpose for me. BUT, I saw a guy (maybe some in here know him but I'd never heard of him)who looked very very polished, and he was playing to corporate people. That's my background (former national sales manager etc), and I've done loads of talks over the years. But this guy, like I said, linked it through analogy etc to hypnosis as he put out 15 or so people on stage in the middle od his presentation, asking the audience what they felt was actually happening. I thought it looked really cool. His name is 'Anthony Gale'. For me personally his presentation came across as the one I would want to emulate. D'ya think he'd come stay with me for a week if I offered him free golf and free guided walks in The Scottish Glens? thanks again, bobser.
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Cyar Regular user 132 Posts
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On the business side (and what little I know) I learned some interesting things from Don Mottin's tapes. He has in his contract if the booker provides less than 50 people for the show, then he has the option of doing a demonstration. Another thing is to find out if and how you can promote yourself (cd's, promotional items, clinical work, etc.) as they might not appreciate this being done during the performance.
Please chime in for those of you with experience.
I told those f***s down at the league office a thousand times that I don't roll on Shabbos!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21569 Posts
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Why should experience matter? This is an internet forum after all isn't it?
Danny Doyle
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bobser Inner circle 4183 Posts
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Yes it is Danny. BUT I know that you're a great stage hypnotist (AND very funny) so I'm seeking your advice just a tad more than Tony Blackburn's.
(Tony Blackburn is an English DJ from the 60's who wears a bad hairpiece and has never hypnotized anyone in his life). Hope this makes sense. bobser. ps: I'd really love for you to allow some of the guys in here to see what you've allowed me to see!!! As promised, I've never told a soul. Sssssshhhhh
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martin king Elite user 416 Posts
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On 2008-05-29 07:21, bobser wrote: See...I told you that you could start regretting it...and you did! |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts
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Another thing is to find out if and how you can promote yourself (cd's, promotional items, clinical work, etc.) as they might not appreciate this being done during the performance. I appreciate we all have to earn a living but I find the blatant promotion of therapy services and weight loss CD's during a stage hypnosis act so tacky and cheap. If you are going to do it then at least do it with some dignity, have a designated area with your products/business literature on. Make one comment about it and hang around there after the show. Anthony
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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Bobser why would I give you a death threat? You don't need one. Yes that's a leap!
Off a tall building! Another reason why stage hypnosis should be regulated. So folks know what they are booking. Stage hypnosis more or less banned from all the Universities up here now and council run theatres. that's why theres no one around to mentor you. Because idiots have ruined it for everyone else. If you were taking this seriously you would seek a mentor and pay them to train you properly. Your customers deserve at least that. But no scrape some freebies off an internet forum. that's a real professional approach. I smell a new hypno attack coming on - from the media! Give it time it's bound to happen. |
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bobser Inner circle 4183 Posts
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Well the good news for you mindpushy is... once again you won't be needed this time around. Call it coincidence. So, sit back with the knowledge that I don't want or need anything you have, assuming you used to have something.
Oh, and keep brooding about how all the idiots in the world have let you down and that's why it's impossible for you to be succesful at anything anymore. Although you simply cannot understand why others with less talent than you seem to be very successful at something you simply can't get to grips with, hmmmm? Yeah, we've all heard your story, and yes, believe me, we all agree with you, your world really is quite pathetic. Ah bless.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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Actually Bobser I've created my own market well away from stagework.
No you should understand you've been let down before you even start. Stage hypnosis is banned from most of the decent venue's. There is also pressure in parts of scotland being put on bar owners who may lose their license if the use hypnotists. I know this from a friend who still does the odd show. I'm not available for stage coaching if I was I would be charging for it. Which would mean you would never have access to it. Because you would never pay. However I see Anthony has stepped in offering free courses so youl be fine. As for my story no you haven't heard what I'm up to now. The story you heard is YOUR story or anyone that wants to earn a living doing stage hypnosis. In scotland its finished. Its finished because idiots filled bars and clubs with little or no training claiming to be hypnotists. I have no desire to do stage work never have for many years. The very few that do the odd show are beig paid much less than I was being paid 15 years ago. that's not a market I want to be part of. And I couldn't care less go and trample hypnosis further into the ground. If the media got hold of the street attack over here - all there needs is one accident and the circus will start up again. I feel sorry for anyone who books a hypnotist believing they are getting a skilled pro. Ahhh But they would go for the cheapest. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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Still Bobser with that rant out of the way you couldn't do any worse than some Ive seen. So Go for it just make up a name don't give them your real name.
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RSD Special user Toronto, Ontario 534 Posts
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On 2008-05-29 19:38, mindpunisher wrote: Everytime I hear this it makes me laugh. Actually it makes me a laugh a lot. It just tells me how ignorant and uneducated the "powers that be" are. If they really took the time to understand hypnosis this wouldn't be the case. Someone should crusade to actually educate people over there so they know what they are banning. Urban legend here in Canada suggests that it was illegal, but not enforced, until one person (well know to the Café) spoke to people that could get it changed. After simple discussions, the law was amended, and I now have the right to make a living as a stage hypnotist. That being said, I always hear stories, once again - urban legends, of hypnosis going bad here in Canada. I have done some extensive research on this and I cant find anything. It seems to me, the more you regulate it, and ban it, the more problems occur. |
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts
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On 2008-05-29 19:38, mindpunisher wrote: Just to qualify that. These free one day courses offer an Introduction to Hypnosis. They do not purport to provide full Stage Hypnosis training. Anthony
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Al Hastings New user Pittsburgh,PA 41 Posts
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On 2008-05-30 01:57, RSD wrote: I heard the same story. Actually, the story is touched upon briefly on M. Lewis' hypnosis videos. Rumor has it the story will be told in full in his up comming book. -A |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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On 2008-05-30 03:24, Anthony Jacquin wrote: I don't think that would bother bobser...he will fill the gaps by asking questions on a forum. I think certain journalists would have a field day if they researched some these threads and wanted to make a case out of any problems that may happen with the "next generation" of hypnotists. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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On 2008-05-30 01:57, RSD wrote: RSD have you seen some of the problems we've had over here? Hypnosis isn't dangerous neither are bullets or guns. Not until they are abused. Regulated would mean at least a certain professional standard had been maintained. And it would stop the cowboys who have ruined it over here. We now have bans on the major universities, local run theatres and now many bars and hotels are being threatened of losing their license if they use hypnotists. The paying public deserve better. Instead stage hypnosis has got a name for incompetency and abuse. I left the market ages ago I have no desire to go back. Im very happy to do be going down my current path. |
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