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It's ridiculous in my opinion... what in God's name do you do with such a degree??


Human resources?


Hey Lobo I think HR departments are being trimmed away from most business'.
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I know the Q stands for Quantum Physicists but what does the extra 'T' stand for?

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ClintonMagus's link gives a good, short definition.

If you want a bit more, try

http://www.ucalgary.ca/~ptrembla/aborigi......#General

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I've always wondered why anthropologist studied stoneunhinged. Now they think that it was a cemetery for old pagan queens.

I would think a class in unlocking mysteries of human behavior and offering insight would be beneficial. But a degree ... wouldn't that be psychiatry? Smile
I still have a problem with the idiotic argument that gays should call their marriage a "union." Why the semantic volley? My first instinct is that it is the church, not the government, nor the people who hold the right to how a marriage will be defined. But, they let it get away when they allowed the justice of the peace to handle the overflow.
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One of these days I'm gonna write about a million words about Brokeback Mountain and how it changed my life.


The only thing that really impressed me about that movie was the incredible scenery, but nice as those mountains were - they didn't change my life.

There have been many far superior gay movie romances but they weren't blessed with the marketing dollars Brokeback had.

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I'll get just a little bit serious for a moment (and then I'll stop, I promise).

The problem with "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a degree is that it is ideological, and all forms of ideological studies bother me. I have a problem with all the "isms" such as Marxism and Feminism. There is a school of thought that all search for truth takes place with some kind of glasses on (rose colored or not). In other words, there are ONLY "isms", and you ought to pick one and be done with it. And maybe, just maybe, they are even right.

And maybe I am wrong. I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again. But what I would like most is a search for truth that doesn't assume any "isms". Maybe we should simply try to perceive the world as it is, without any colored glasses on.

Or maybe not. Maybe such a world doesn't exist.

But if it does, the mainstream American university is missing out on it, at least with regard to the humanities.

I need more beer. Or maybe something stronger.
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The answer to EVERYTHING is to understand the simple yet powerful premise voiced by Dustin Hoffman's character Bernie LaPlante in 'Hero'.

"People talk about truth as though it were toilet paper or something, and they have a supply in the closet. But what you learn in life is that there is no truth. Only bull Sh2t. Layers upon layers of bull sh3t. And what you do as you grow older is, you pick the layer of bull sh4t that you like, and that becomes your bull sh5t."

Easily dismissed maybe but not if you are free of all those 'isms. It is brilliantly deceptive as it espouses a truth in denying it. It is also the way things are, have been and will be.

It is my favorite quote. The question is, have you chosen your layer yet?
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One of my all time favorite lines is from Five Easy Pieces: "Where do you get the a** to tell anybody anything about class, or who the hell's got it, or what she typifies? You shouldn't even be in the same room with her, you pompous celibate."
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The problem with "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a degree is that it is ideological, and all forms of ideological studies bother me. I have a problem with all the "isms" such as Marxism and Feminism.

Marxism is not Feminism. Please do not promote that fascism idea with feminism.. esp. you are in academic. And yet, yes, academia is a fertile ground for critical studies of all sorts - isn't "Plato or Aristotle or Hegel or Nietzsche or dozens of others" that you enjoy discussing a way to acknowledge and honor one another disciplines than squallishing the "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a form of "isms"? And I'm not going to say I have problems with Platonism and Aristotlism... as they are models for identities as they are social constructions and/or cultural fictions that, as ideologies enacted by the dominant organizational culture/privilege heterosexuality to sanction homophobia.


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SEX...GAY...JEFF

It makes me want to kill myself.

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The problem with "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a degree is that it is ideological, and all forms of ideological studies bother me. I have a problem with all the "isms" such as Marxism and Feminism.

Marxism is not Feminism. Please do not promote that fascism idea with feminism.. esp. you are in academic. And yet, yes, academia is a fertile ground for critical studies of all sorts - isn't "Plato or Aristotle or Hegel or Nietzsche or dozens of others" that you enjoy discussing a way to acknowledge and honor one another disciplines than squallishing the "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a form of "isms"? And I'm not going to say I have problems with Platonism and Aristotlism... as they are models for identities as they are social constructions and/or cultural fictions that, as ideologies enacted by the dominant organizational culture/privilege heterosexuality to sanction homophobia.


I don't think he was. Simply naming a couple of "-isms".
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Evolve, I was simply naming a couple of "-isms". (Thanks Whitjm5.)

You seem to have missed my whole point: I thoroughly reject that philosophy is a "model for identity" or a "cultural fiction" or an "ideology" or that it sanctions homophobia.

You're kidding, right? About the sanctioning homophobia part?

Have you ever read Plato's Symposium? Do you really want to say that the ancient Greeks sanctioned homophobia?

Please read my post again. I'm being MUCH MORE arrogant than you have given me credit for. I'm flat out denying the impossibility of only thinking in ideological categories. I'm asserting the possibility of pure reason. I'm saying that I can read a book and attempt to understand it on it's own terms rather than categorize it as having been written by a woman or an African American or a homosexual or a member of the bourgeoisie.

The universities have become, outside the departments of natural science, hardly anything better than a big city slum suffering from the turf wars of various gangs.

Turf wars.

WORD.

That's what you people are saving up your hard-earned money to send your kids to. The modern university is the greatest scam of ALL TIME. You send your kid there to be indoctrinated by a bunch of half-wits and spend two-thirds of their time binge-drinking and fornicating with as many people as possible, and you pay the price of a house for them to go. Meanwhile the teachers are sucking up those funds to write article after article of meaningless, jargon-filled, ideological tripe that in spite of its total vacuity gets passed on as "scholarship"--that is, when they aren't getting drunk and fornicating with their students. Of course, they have to be careful--one slip up and they might have their entire career destroyed by an accusation of sexual harassment, because it's war after all...turf war..brutal, violent, and filled with vial Machiavellian scheming and backstabbing over everything from office furniture to the library budget.

Life at a real university is ugly, nasty and brutish...but not short, because these half-wit, immoral ideologues can--if they have a little bit of luck and write enough tripe--get something called tenure, which is essentially a license to quit even trying any more, unless the direct result is more money or the inflation of one's ego.

That's the university, folks. Make sure you keep putting more money in your kid's college fund.

One more thing, Evolve: you snipped my post to make it look like I said "Sex...gay...Jeff" and immediately thereafter that I want to kill myself. I would prefer you to have a mod edit that, because it implies something I had no intention of implying. But that's your choice. I don't believe in censorship, just self-censorship.

Jeff
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Jeff, that's brilliant.

The stuff I agree with is true. The stuff I don't agree with is so funny it should be true.

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The problem with "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a degree is that it is ideological, and all forms of ideological studies bother me. I have a problem with all the "isms" such as Marxism and Feminism.

Marxism is not Feminism. Please do not promote that fascism idea with feminism.. esp. you are in academic.


Unfortunately, feminism (at least the mainstream variety) goes out of its way to associate itself with Marxism, particularly in academia. "Marxist feminist" is almost redundant.
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I'm not all for PC and censorship. Self-censorship is an individualistic degree or another - so it's up to you and me and the rest of the world. Words are meant to be read, digest, and re-read and interpretation. I've had my share of academic crap and BS in my lifetime. I am not an academic professor, but you are. Your statement in this post struck a nerve in me that compel me to write. Beyond that your opinion(s) is/are yours and I don't bother. Arrogant cuts both ways. I don't think you are homophobic; and I'm responding only to your post and not you as a person. From reading your posts, I think I know you tend to joke, fornicate, sleep a certain way, drink and eat a certain kind of food. I think that's cool that you are open and word play is your forte. Encroachment in academia is mircrocosmic - in the world of higher education, factual support, whatever the disciplines, rather than knee-jerk responses, ought to reign.
And yes, the world that based on sound-bite has already made judgement on women, feminists, homosexuals, etc, as lack of sense of humor when certain "isms" in the past and in current climate are blasted in their face. It ultimately serves to further exacerbate a climate already unfriendly to Gay and Lesbian Studies, making them the center of controversy on top of already social/ political debate and, research seems to suggest, useless and unfunded.
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The problem with "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a degree is that it is ideological, and all forms of ideological studies bother me. I have a problem with all the "isms" such as Marxism and Feminism.

Marxism is not Feminism. Please do not promote that fascism idea with feminism.. esp. you are in academic.


Unfortunately, feminism (at least the mainstream variety) goes out of its way to associate itself with Marxism, particularly in academia. "Marxist feminist" is almost redundant.


Do you have evidence for this? A quick search on Google scholar for "Marxism and feminism" came up with very little since the 1980s.

I'm no expert in this field, but I see a lot more current feminist research coming out of postructuralism, postmodernism, critical theory and standpoint theory than I do out of Marxism.

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The problem with "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a degree is that it is ideological, and all forms of ideological studies bother me. I have a problem with all the "isms" such as Marxism and Feminism.

Marxism is not Feminism. Please do not promote that fascism idea with feminism.. esp. you are in academic.


Unfortunately, feminism (at least the mainstream variety) goes out of its way to associate itself with Marxism, particularly in academia. "Marxist feminist" is almost redundant.


Do you have evidence for this? A quick search on Google scholar for "Marxism and feminism" came up with very little since the 1980s.

I'm no expert in this field, but I see a lot more current feminist research coming out of postructuralism, postmodernism, critical theory and standpoint theory than I do out of Marxism.

John


The "almost redundant" line was intentional hyperbole; however, in the course of gaining my English undergrad degree and my law degree, I took courses in feminist theory with respect to literary criticism and law. My experiences with the professors in those courses, a wide variety of readings in scholarly journals, and course discussions with people more immersed in cultural studies as a full course of study rather just a single class, exposed me to a great deal of ideology as far removed from capitalism as possible, be it Marxist, communist, or socialist. There's a great deal of opposition to, essentially, everything that is the status quo, even in a course that isn't ostensibly related to any "ism" other than feminism, e.g. a feminist legal theory course I took that was infused with critical race theory, queer theory, Marxist theory, etc.

My firsthand impressions may be misleadingly magnified by the fact that the course readings were selected by the professors doing the lectures, so it could be more limited than my experience; however, the professors appeared to have no shortage of readings to choose from, and those students who were what I'd call "active" feminists (more knowledge about the topic, more course experience, had given papers at seminars, etc.) were to a very large extent "on board" with the anti-capitalist leanings of the professors and the readings.

I found it very unfortunate that academic feminism (and "mainstream" feminism at least as fed to us in media soundbites) has been essentially "hijacked" by professors and writers whose view of feminism is as limiting as any role that society in general has placed on them. There are certainly alternative views of what feminism is, or should be, but they are largely ignored, derided, or discredited by the mainstream feminist movement. For anyone interested, I'd recommend the books "Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women," by Christina Hoff-Summers, and "Reclaiming the Mainstream: Individualist Feminism Rediscovered," by Joan Kennedy Taylor, as well as anything by or about the Association of Libertarian Feminists (www.alf.org).
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The problem with "Gay and Lesbian Studies" as a degree is that it is ideological, and all forms of ideological studies bother me. I have a problem with all the "isms" such as Marxism and Feminism.

Marxism is not Feminism. Please do not promote that fascism idea with feminism.. esp. you are in academic.


Unfortunately, feminism (at least the mainstream variety) goes out of its way to associate itself with Marxism, particularly in academia. "Marxist feminist" is almost redundant.


Do you have evidence for this? A quick search on Google scholar for "Marxism and feminism" came up with very little since the 1980s.

I'm no expert in this field, but I see a lot more current feminist research coming out of postructuralism, postmodernism, critical theory and standpoint theory than I do out of Marxism.

John


The "almost redundant" line was intentional hyperbole; however, in the course of gaining my English undergrad degree and my law degree, I took courses in feminist theory with respect to literary criticism and law. My experiences with the professors in those courses, a wide variety of readings in scholarly journals, and course discussions with people more immersed in cultural studies as a full course of study rather just a single class, exposed me to a great deal of ideology as far removed from capitalism as possible, be it Marxist, communist, or socialist. There's a great deal of opposition to, essentially, everything that is the status quo, even in a course that isn't ostensibly related to any "ism" other than feminism, e.g. a feminist legal theory course I took that was infused with critical race theory, queer theory, Marxist theory, etc.

My firsthand impressions may be misleadingly magnified by the fact that the course readings were selected by the professors doing the lectures, so it could be more limited than my experience; however, the professors appeared to have no shortage of readings to choose from, and those students who were what I'd call "active" feminists (more knowledge about the topic, more course experience, had given papers at seminars, etc.) were to a very large extent "on board" with the anti-capitalist leanings of the professors and the readings.

I found it very unfortunate that academic feminism (and "mainstream" feminism at least as fed to us in media soundbites) has been essentially "hijacked" by professors and writers whose view of feminism is as limiting as any role that society in general has placed on them. There are certainly alternative views of what feminism is, or should be, but they are largely ignored, derided, or discredited by the mainstream feminist movement. For anyone interested, I'd recommend the books "Who Stole Feminism: How Women Have Betrayed Women," by Christina Hoff-Summers, and "Reclaiming the Mainstream: Individualist Feminism Rediscovered," by Joan Kennedy Taylor, as well as anything by or about the Association of Libertarian Feminists (www.alf.org).


The truth is with you. It has been my experiences with all but a few professors, even the one teaching courses that should not involve ideology, do promote Marxism, communism, socialism and a lot of other socially liberal isms and ridicule capitalism.
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