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chrusa Special user Connecticut 736 Posts |
I wasn't sure to post this but just had something that annoys the heck out of me. I want to purchase a new dvd, or effect, or whatever and I click on view the trailer (It not even a demo but a trailer) And these videos are like movie trailers, background music, special effects loads of audience reactions and only a few seconds of the climax of the effect usually followed by quick multiple camera angles of the same part you were just shown. Why cant they do it like they did years ago where they simply perform the effect so you can get a general idea of what it encompasses?
Thanks,
<BR> <BR>Chris Hrusa |
Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
I hear you loud and clear. I can't stand the choppy, camera frenzy trailers.
And some trailers are easy on the eye, but they don't "sell" the DVD. I didn't lile the trailer for Party Animal and passed on the DVD. And some folks said I was wrong and missing out ( they wouldn't stop hounding me ) So I got Party Anuimal the 2 DVD set and it's been one of the best things I've ever purchased. It's a must have! So, I think producers would be better to pick one killer effect and make that the trailer.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
L&L Publishing has straight presentations of effects on their demos.
With some other companies I think they do it so you cannot reverse-engineer the effect just by watching the demo. Many of Ellusionist's effects are like this. If you could watch one of their effects from beginning to end I bet most people would be able to figure out the method. The other side of this is marketing. DVD producers want to make their products seem as exciting as possible. Denny Haney (DennyMagic.com) wrote an essay about this and wanted to remind everyone that there is no pounding music, no gritty graffiti wall when you buy the effect. |
feifei Regular user United Kingdom 186 Posts |
Ya.. True indeed! I hate those so called 'Demo' Trailers too... and those that just show some specs reaction... screaming etc and does not show anything else.. I never buy an effect that has such demo, I usually just wait until it's discuss inside out then I'll decide if it really suits me. It would be nice to see a proper performance demo of the trick from start to end. If there's angle restriction, then take the vid from the suitable angle, just be honest with what you are selling and everyone will love you
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Tim Jahn Special user South Florida 911 Posts |
I'm with you guys on this on as well.
A 2 minute trailer that's composed of 1 minute of some dude walking around in slow motion, 50 seconds of spectators saying "WHAT THE BLEEEEP!!!" over and over, and 10 seconds of what might be part of the effect, and all the while some kind of creepy music plays as the soundtrack is about all you get these days. These aren't demos, They are someones poor attempt at making a movie trailer.... A "B" movie trailer. Domino you hit the nail on the head. With most of the stuff that comes out now, If we saw the whole effect from beginning to end, There would be nothing left to sell. There are of course exceptions to this. Steve Haynes "Casanova Concept" Trailer springs immediately to mind. This demo was the entire effect (Casanova closer) from beginning to end. And I still didn't have a clue as to how it was done. I guess that's how you know if an effect will be good in this market. Casanova turned out to be great. Tim
Andrew, (ASW)
The effects on the DVD and lecture notes are far beyond your abilities. (They require mastery of the mechanic's grip.) It would only break your heart. Sincerely, Darwin Ortiz.......(This post has got to be in my top 5.) |
Billgussen Elite user Central Japan 497 Posts |
I'm with Feifei. I didn't buy Justin Miller's The Cloak for more than half a year because the trailer didn't show me anything that I wanted to buy. If they had done a standard demonstration of his table-version rising card effect, I would have been very impressed; I wouldn't have guessed the hookup; and I would have been drooling to buy the DVD.
As is was, it took me a lot of reviews and decision time to finally buy it. (I'm glad I did, by the way.) Bill |
Tom G Inner circle 2895 Posts |
I hate those trailers, too. Problem is if someone puts out a decent trailer and shows the effect. You end up with a bunch of people trying to show how smart they are after watching it a dozen times and posting the method. Or what they think is the method. Everyone loses. We get crappy trailers and they don't sell as much product.
Tom |
thefliss Regular user 102 Posts |
Mostly, I just wait until someone here gives a review, and some of the reviews give a tremendous amount of honest detail. Luckily, usually someone who gets the next new thing lets the rest of us in on how good it is. It's one of the best things about these forums, for sure.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Remember the old saying "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull"
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feifei Regular user United Kingdom 186 Posts |
I have to say so far I have been very impressed with BigBlindMedia's release, they all have impressive trailers and a full demo of an effect they offer. Even though some of the listed effects doesn't interest me, I always end up buying their dvds because the shown signature effect in the demo always manage to get my full attention
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truckbonner555 New user 61 Posts |
These modern preview videos are just to sell the effect. I agree that they are annoying.
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daver Elite user Jupiter, FL 436 Posts |
I submit that many are more than annoying; they are deceptive.
Not to say that they should show enough to tip the method to the magically-well-educated, but as an example, a fairly well-known, somewhat recently released mentalism DVD implies in the trailers certain elements are not present, because you don't see the complete presentation. Just the beginning and then the reactions. I purchased said DVD, and upon watching it, there were a number of elements that the trailer and write up implied were not used that in fact, were, upon watching the explanations. What's even more ironic, in watching the performance parts of the DVD in full, the presentation is done-well enough that even knowing the methods, I feel showing the full presentation on the trailer would not have tipped it. It was deceptive, and I felt duped because it implied something was not there when in fact it was, because of the carefully edited trailers. Don't tip methods, but there needs to be some truth in advertising too.... Did I get the point across while being vague enough not to slam the specific product
Dave
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