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Wanlu
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Hi Cristoph,

Congratulations!!! Smile and welcome to the Café Smile

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I thought I would jump into this thread, and just see if there is anyone else that has purchased the DeMar tape over mouth system, and what they think of it...


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Question: Will TOM work if the vent is using a wireless headworn or earset mic?

I asked Lee and he said yes it will but I figured I could use a little feedback from those who actually use TOM in their act.

Thanks Smile

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[quote]On 2009-08-21 13:06, Wanlu wrote:
Question: Will TOM work if the vent is using a wireless headworn or earset mic?

I asked Lee and he said yes it will but I figured I could use a little feedback from those who actually use TOM in their act.

Thanks Smile

Wanlu

Wanlu:

I always wear a wireless headset mic and yes, TOM works just fine. Obviously the person on stage applying the tape has be careful not to tape the mic to your face.

Doug
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I use a lavelier mike for reasons that users of the routine will understand. I'm interested in Doug's comment that the head mic works, too. Doug, do you use your left hand to lift the mike a little?

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I choose not to comment.

Secret is too sacred, too closely guarded by Bill DeMar for 50+ years, and too expensive to risk any littlest possible exposure.
Bob and other TOM users know why.

I suggest no public discussion even on its smallest intricacies, workings, techniques, props, etc. I hope TOM users will agree. I'm so sure Uncle Bill will apprecate it.

My mouth is tightly sealed on this Smile
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On 2009-08-21 19:34, Bob Baker wrote:
I use a lavelier mike for reasons that users of the routine will understand. I'm interested in Doug's comment that the head mic works, too. Doug, do you use your left hand to lift the mike a little?

Bob


Bob:

PM'd you.

Doug
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My big thanks, doug.
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I think it is a little pricey, $497.
Wanlu
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On 2009-08-21 19:48, Ony Carcamo wrote:
I choose not to comment.

Secret is too sacred, too closely guarded by Bill DeMar for 50+ years, and too expensive to risk any littlest possible exposure.
Bob and other TOM users know why.

I suggest no public discussion even on its smallest intricacies, workings, techniques, props, etc. I hope TOM users will agree. I'm so sure Uncle Bill will apprecate it.

My mouth is tightly sealed on this Smile


My apologies...I hate exposure as well. Smile

My question is just simple...will TOM work even with a headworn mic?

... this is because I use a headworn mic and I don't want to buy TOM only to find out that it won't work with my headworn mic. Smile

I guess Lee's word will be good enough...

Thanks Smile

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Dynamike,
You are buying an original routine with performance rights. That is why the price is high. This is also a limited offer - not everyone will be out there doing it. That alone is worth something. It ends up being less than a penny per show when you do it for several years. I believe it is worth more than the fee, even though I have only performed it in one show.

As for anyone who is trying to guess and figure out the details to avoid spending money - why bother? Even if you discover a version of the secret, you won't have the rights to do the bit. By purchasing Bill's TOM, you get all the inside tips and secrets that come from his years of experience on stage.
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Bob Baker
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What Tom said.

This is a routine that audiences will talk about and remember. You are not spending all that money for the secret, but for the effect. Frankly, I think that Bill priced it too low; it's that good. In every show that I perform with Oscar (pictured in my avatar), I close with this bit. Frankly, there is nothing that can follow it.

By purchasing it, you will be one of only 51 people (including Bill D.) in the world who do this routine. Man, that's gotta be worth something right there.

On another note, I'm wondering how many of you use this routine in your publicity. I don't because I don't want to tip off the audience to what is coming. I'm curious what the rest of you do.

Bob
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On 2009-08-22 09:28, Bob Baker wrote:
On another note, I'm wondering how many of you use this routine in your publicity. I don't because I don't want to tip off the audience to what is coming. I'm curious what the rest of you do.

Bob


Bob,
I use the TOM heavily for my publicity because I'm the only one doing this in my country. I even made a logo that shows it (my avatar)! It's my main closer now and it has become MY SIGNATURE ACT this past year. The TOM has been associated with me and my show and my audience look forward to seeing it in my finale.

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On 2009-08-22 09:28, Bob Baker wrote:
What Tom said.

This is a routine that audiences will talk about and remember. You are not spending all that money for the secret, but for the effect. Frankly, I think that Bill priced it too low; it's that good. In every show that I perform with Oscar (pictured in my avatar), I close with this bit. Frankly, there is nothing that can follow it.

By purchasing it, you will be one of only 51 people (including Bill D.) in the world who do this routine. Man, that's gotta be worth something right there.

On another note, I'm wondering how many of you use this routine in your publicity. I don't because I don't want to tip off the audience to what is coming. I'm curious what the rest of you do.

Bob


What Tom and Bob Said.

I agree with Tom, this is priced much too low.

I don't advertise this for the same reason Tom doesn't advertise it. To each his own though. If you feel it enhances your ability to book more shows, etc. then knock yourself out.

Doug
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I don't advertise this for the same reason Tom doesn't advertise it.

Sorry, typo, meant to say Bob doesn't advertise it.
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[quote]On 2009-08-22 11:10, Doug Arden wrote:
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To each his own though. If you feel it enhances your ability to book more shows, etc. then knock yourself out.

Doug


Hi Doug,

The TOM is the highlight of my shows because it helped made my act unique among the many ventriloquists here in our country, and thus it has booked more shows for me--that's why I advertise it.

I guess NOT advertising it, like what you do, also has great merits.

All the best,
Ony
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Hi Ony:

Like I said, to each his own. I certainly wasn't demeaning the fact that you advertise this and if it came across that way, I apologize. I'm glad to hear advertising this routine is working so well for you. Best wishes for continued success!

Doug
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Ony, I think in our country, only ventriloquists with high respect to the art of ventriloquism would purchase TOM.

I hesitated buying this when it was released because I use a headworn mic and I had the impression that it wont work with such kind of mic. In any case, I asked Lee recently and he confirmed that this will work with a headworn mic, I certainly hope so because I just purchased TOM two days ago.

Out of respect to Ony, I don't plan to advertise the routine the way Ony does. It won't even be a regular part of my act. I do mostly kidshows and I don't think the kids would understand it...I just want to know how its done and be able to do it only if I need to. Smile

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On 2009-08-22 09:05, tacrowl wrote:
Dynamike,
You are buying an original routine with performance rights. That is why the price is high. This is also a limited offer - not everyone will be out there doing it. That alone is worth something. It ends up being less than a penny per show when you do it for several years. I believe it is worth more than the fee, even though I have only performed it in one show.

Ok, I understand. That's clear.

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As for anyone who is trying to guess and figure out the details to avoid spending money - why bother? Even if you discover a version of the secret, you won't have the rights to do the bit. By purchasing Bill's TOM, you get all the inside tips and secrets that come from his years of experience on stage.

Now I got some questions. Imagine some are doing it on stage because they bought it. Now imagine others are doing it because they figured out an idea to how it works. How would you tell one from the other in a live performance?

Here is something else to look at. Imagine someone else was doing the same/similar thing before Bill. Will that same person have the rights to continue performing it it they thought of the same/similar idea first?

Okay last question. Imagine the knock offs in magic tricks. They will not get in trouble because the original was not patented because of the cost of money. Is something being done about this to keep it from being a knock off? Picture how many "Torn and Restored Newspapers" were supplied after the first one.

I understand my questions might be a little a tricky to answer because I do not know the secret myself. I do not know if it is just a DVD explaining how to perform it or if a special prop is included in the instructions.
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On 2009-08-23 08:17, Dynamike wrote:
Now I got some questions. Imagine some are doing it on stage because they bought it. Now imagine others are doing it because they figured out an idea to how it works. How would you tell one from the other in a live performance?


Lee Cornell handles the certification and Bill DeMar knows who has his licenses. There are certain things involved that, just by watching a video, you would not catch. Any licensee would most likely be able to catch a non-licensed performance. Unlike magic, ventriloquism is a fairly small community - it would get around fairly quickly.

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Here is something else to look at. Imagine someone else was doing the same/similar thing before Bill. Will that same person have the rights to continue performing it it they thought of the same/similar idea first?


There is another TOM - but it involves a single strip of tape up and down over the mouth. Bill DeMar is known for the multiple strips and "sealing the lips". He is already recognized as the creator of this by ventriloquists world wide. There is no doubt as to who created this version.

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Okay last question. Imagine the knock offs in magic tricks. They will not get in trouble because the original was not patented because of the cost of money. Is something being done about this to keep it from being a knock off? Picture how many "Torn and Restored Newspapers" were supplied after the first one.


I'm not certain what, if any legal action would be taken. You'd want to discuss that with Lee and Bill.

Ventriloquism is something anyone can do if they care enough to practice. If you take the time to get good, you develop an affection for the art, so why steal from it? Stealing is the habit of those who don't wish to work. If you don't work at ventriloquism - you can't keep your lips still enough to perform TOM anyway!
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