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sier5
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I was was wondering should I save up for a dove, and if I do what size cage is good for one.
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I said this many times in this forum. Before you even think about getting dove, you need to read as many books as you can and watch as many videos as you can about dove magic. There is much more involved that just getting a dove and performing. You need to be sure you have the time, space and money before you begin.

Things like, do you have time every day to spend with the dove training and getting used to it?

Can you put up with the noise?

Do you have the room to keep a dove? It's not healthy to live in the same room with a dove.

The cost of raising a dove includes, food, treats, vitamins, and vet bills. You must have the time to thoroughly clean the cage at least weekly.

These are just a few of the things to be considered before going out to buy a dove.
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Although I've never personally owned any Doves, I'll second Dave with his list of considerations. several years back one of the girls in my show bought a pair of Doves. So right away I bought tricks to use them with, a balloon tray, flip over vanish, even a used dove cage vanish. Well, I was able to use them in one show, then the Mom let them go. They made so much noise, it drove her nuts !!. Now, I'm stuck with several Dove tricks. We have tons of squirrels around here, Maybe the pet shop sells muzzels for squirrels.....
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Do you have the room to keep a dove? It's not healthy to live in the same room with a dove.


I had never heard about it being unhealthy to live in the same room.
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If you read through the posts in this forum, there are extensive topics about living with doves. Doves had very thick dander or powder. This dander, when breathed repeatedly can cause serious lung problems. It's best to keep them outside or in a garage. Because the health issue, the powder is almost impossible to clean up. I used to keep 30 birds in my basement aviary. That was about 6 years ago and I am still trying to clean up the dust.

A single bird won't be that messy but the health issue is very real. Your response is exactly why you need to research as much as possible before investing in a bird.

Here's one very relative topic discussing bird dander.

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http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=83710&forum=13
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Dave here where I live there are just to many raccoons to put them outside or in the garage is there anywhere else I could put them.
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Nevermind Dave I am going to invest in an air purifier. Thank You
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Another issue regarding health question is their droppings. Keeping cages cleaned is very important. There is something in dove and pigeon droppings if inhaled a lot can cause a spot on your lungs. It is called histoplasmosis (not sure on spelling) however it is very real and I have it. To my knowledge it is not fatal however it brings on coughing spells for me and any kind of chest cold I get , usually takes longer to get over. It is caused by bird droppings. So I agree with others try not to keep them in your bedroom or in a main living area. I have four of them and cages are cleaned every 3 days like clock work. I keep mine in my basement and they do fine.
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Mrmagic makes a good point. Cleanliness is of utmost importance. Both the dove and the cage area must be kept clean.

sier5, the air purifier will help but you still need to clean everything every week. When you decide where you are going to put the cage, be prepared to clean up the mess. Doves are not neat. They will kick out much of the seed you give them looking for that tasty morsel. Be sure you are ready to do heavy clean up everyday.

Besides the location of the bird and cage, it is really important as I said early on, that you read, and watch as much information as you can before taking the plunge. There is nothing worse that to get a dove and then find out you can't care for it properly. Dove magic is fun and rewarding but it takes a lot of work.
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Dave do you know if parakeets give off that dander because I have a parakeet.
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I'm not a parakeet guy but I don't think so. The dander from a dove is a white powder. Parakeets don't have the health risk.
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Thank You all that answered through your responses I think I might get a parrot instead.
PS The nly reason I won't invest in a dove is I saw someone produce a parrot in their dove act and to me it looked btter than the dove productions.
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A Parrot is much more attention needed. Seriously. A Parrot can outlive a human, AND makes TONS more noise than a dove. A parrot is a serious commitment, and a lot more expensive! Adopting a Parrot as a pet is not a simple task. While you may think it looks better to produce, you may not be able to produce a parrot as easy. I think you may need to consider the reason you are wanting animals. If you are going to get into live animal productions, I recommend a dove first over a parrot. Really. Read up first before you do anything. Its highly recommended.

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Sorry Alpha I forgot to mention that it will be a parakeet and I have studied a few materials on them. I am also going to get Dave Womach's videos. Again sorry if I was unclear.
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Oh! *haha* Parakeet...makes more sense than the Parrot. Parakeets can be fun. I haven't seen Dave's videos, but I hear they are awesome. I have never had parakeets in my show, but at one point I had two cockatiels - and then they sort of started to get mean and steal jewelry from people - They were attracted to shiny objects. After a little tugging on some earrings from spectators, I soon took them out of the show....

-Alpha
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Alpha any tips on taming birds.
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Sier, are you looking for training tips for parakeets or doves? Alpha already said he hasn't worked with parakeets. The best source for parakeet magic as mentioned above is Dave Womach.

If you're looking for dove training, there are many many posts in this forum on this very subject.
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