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Alllll-righty-then, can you help me brainstorm?

I’d like to do a MULTIPLE cut-and-restored-rope… I need it to look much like “Pavel’s Walking-Knot”, only in that the rope is stretched across the stage, and you cut-then-restore as you move from end-to-end.

I need an UN-GIMMICKED method, as I’ll be working within a very few feet of the front rows.

(I love Pavel’s method, but it needs more distance than I’ve got.)

Any SPECIFIC techniques and ideas for this “continuous” cut-and-restored effect would be greatly appreciated, I need to accomplish about SIX-cuts during the routine.

PLEASE PM me so we’re not talking methods or exposure here.

Thanks so much rope-experts!

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I'm not sure what you mean by ungimmicked, but the Michael Finny method is a nice one. I also like Ian's loops which also is a nice one.
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Al's right. Finny has a good method. I think the performance is on YouTube.
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With proper stage managment, Gary Darwin (as usual) has a perfect method.
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Al Angelo has a copy of my "loops" technique which could actually give you a series of three loops on a long rope. Then you or a spectator can cut the loops and tie knots, then restore at any time.

http://www.magicvideodepot.com/main/memb......cta_Cut/

This can be done several times.
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Thanks for your ideas so far everyone. It’s hard to describe what I need without going to method here.

In the presentation I need to do,the long rope represents a “timeline” and I need to start at one end (say the far left) and work to the other end (say far right).

As I move along the rope I need to: cut in two / tie a knot / then EITHER move the knot OR just restore the cut.

Then move along down the rope (about six cut/restores total).

By “un-gimmicked” I mean nothing as visible as Pavel’s.And I prefer not to have anything “extra” to have to palm or maneuver, as six (in heavy quality magician’s rope) would be daunting.

Luckily, I don’t need to untie the knots as with the Pavel rope, that would really be a headache.

Please PM me if you have ideas/solutions, so we don’t have to hint around methods or gimmicks in this open forum.

Thanks again,
Walt
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Is the rope anchored (tied to something) at each end? Do you wear a jacket with sleeves? Aha, I just thought of the perfect way. See PM
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An old Finney demo is up on youtube. It uses both the sliding knot, and the Panama pop knot.
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Hey man, I can do exactly as you demand. But, what I don't understand is why? Why the repetition, and why six cuts?
Good luck on your search, but sometimes simplicity is bliss.
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Ian is right too many cuts means no one will be surprised the sixth time you do it.
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I used to do a thing with alligator clips hidden in a small loop of rope. I could clip the loop where I grabbed the rope, cut through it and tie the ends around the clip so it could not be seen (these are the tiny electronic clips I used to get from Radio Shack). The "knot" could then be moved, untied, re-tied, etc. Six times might be too many times to cover such a simple method, however. Once or twice and you get amazement. I never pushed the limits to see how far I could go with it. I hate it when amazement turns to "boo, get the bum off!"
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Gang!
I’m perfectly aware of the rules regarding the repeat of an effect, and having been in the biz for some thirty-five years, know all about the “rules of three” and a bunch of others too.

Please trust me I have a very specific and theatrical reason, for my seeming madness of doing multiple cuts!

I’ve PM’ed a few of you with the details that I’d rather not make public here, so you can discover I’m not nuts nor have I degenerated into a rank-amateur.

Thanks to those with positive ideas and support!
Magically,
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Hey Walt,
I've been thinking about your needs for six cuts, and I think Eric Lewis Triple cut rope effect might be your answer. of course, he does it with 3 knots.
So...you would have this very long rope. Tie your square knots so as to have your six "loops". You can now cut them and have them spaced apart as you desire.

You now have one long rope with six cut and knotted sections. Of course you could "adjust a few knots so they pop off, or slide any of them around, or any restoration you want.

Because, there is a short duration of repetitive moves, the six cuts would not be boring therefore breaking the rule of three.
Whatcha think??

I just had an afterthought as well. The longer length of the rope would solve the problem with the triple cut which is running out of rope and the rope looking radically short at the end of the cuts. With a stage sized length of rope, the removal of the pieces would not be as noticeable with 12'-15' of rope.

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Five minutes later: Okay I just tried it, and it's very promising. There is a variation of the effect though, and that is to cut each piece right after you tie each knot(Lewis ties all of the loops first). After the first one, tie the end off on the chair. Then work your way across the stage as you do each knot and cut.

You can then do each knot as you would any standard restoration, OR, upset all of the knots. And slide them all off.
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You could also think about the Mac King rope trick, it brings down the house at every one of his shows, but for obvious reasons Mac has never revealed his method. My theory is that Mac's method is similar to the "Neff" rope trick, but I have only heard about Mac's trick from others.
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