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kregg
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As long as you don't ask the libraries to report what books they read ... Smile
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On 2008-06-21 09:17, Doug Higley wrote:

What is the federal government's purpose with this kind of detailed data? How will this database be secured, and who will have access?

BOTTOM LINE: "Many small proprietors use their Social Security number as their tax ID. How will their privacy be protected? What compliance costs will this impose on businesses?"

The data is not detailed at all, it is said to be reported in aggregate. So individual transactions are not what is being reported.

There are NO compliance costs for small businesses as the bill changes nothing for them. It is the "payment settlement entities" (e.g., Mastercard or the banks) that report the aggregate data. The bill also includes some exemptions for small numbers of transactions and transaction amounts.

The purpose for asking that this data be reported was given earlier, "to make it easier to identify businesses who are cooking the books and cheating on their taxes".

It may be that I'm missing something more nefarious in the bill, at the moment I'm basing my opinion solely on the information that has been provided to me at the links given in the earlier posts.

I'm really surprised you are getting so worked up over a news story that is almost exclusively being reported on / cut and pasted between conspiracy sites. That's usually a pretty good clue that the news is not being reported fairly or correctly.

Your other comments about a flat tax and term limits probably have merit, but those are different topics.

Have a nice day.

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The fact that Chris Dodd is involved is enough for me to look at it as a sneak play and money/power grab at the expense of more freedoms.

I'm not surprised you are suprised...usually your lefty leanings are somewhat entertaining even if predictable..in this case however your opinion on how I should react to this crap means absolutely nothing to me personaly so save your wind. If there is another Tea Party, you need not attend.

Also I do not need to be personally affected by the Washington tricksters to be concerned for this country and how it is being manipulated by those worthy of inditement.
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Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

A great example to compliment Doug Higley's bill is the 16th amendment to the Constitution. You know the one. You sweat about it every April 15th. Yes, we're talking about the income tax. When it was first imposed, it was meant to be a sort of "Robin Hood" flat rate tax on the rich in order to distribute some of the wealth to the poor. It was also the first amendment that conveyed a right to THE GOVERNMENT, not the people!

All one has to do is look at where the 16th amendment and how it's implemented now vs. the original reason behind its passage to see how far our government can go to maintain control. Nearly everybody pays it, nobody likes it, and there are no plans within government to get rid of it. Once the Feds implemented it across the board during WWII, they realized quickly that it offered an incredible amount of control over the American people. Now we are, for all intents and purposes, slaves to our government, not its masters.

Personally, I think a large part of the problem is two-fold. First, we are whoafully ignorant of how our government works and our full rights as citizens of that government. Of course, the government has a vested interest in keeping us ignorant. The other big problem is that most people really don't care. They just want to get on with their lives with as little intrusion as possible. It's not surprising really, apathy and ignorance always seem to go hand-in-hand.
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On 2008-06-22 00:09, clynim wrote:
...it was meant to be a sort of "Robin Hood" flat rate tax on the rich in order to distribute some of the wealth to the poor...


Perhaps that is how the story has been changed over the years no thanks to the great rewrite in the western sky. But, the story of Robin Hood was not about "stealing from the rich." It was about taking from tax collectors, and those who gained their wealth by appointment, not through their labor; in other words Robin Hood took from the government and it's corrupt employees. And they all lived happily ever after. The End
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On 2008-06-21 12:58, Doug Higley wrote:

I'm not surprised you are suprised...usually your lefty leanings are somewhat entertaining even if predictable..

I don't understand why you think I have lefty leanings, except for the fact that I have declared support in the past for universal health care and education.

Otherwise, I support big oil, low to moderate taxes, smaller government, and less intrusive government.

Well, I guess I also support clean air and less pollution. Maybe that's what you mean by lefty leanings although that would seem to be a stretch.

In this case, I just think its silly for anyone to get worked up over a report that is almost exclusively being reported on / cut and pasted between conspiracy sites. That's usually a pretty good clue that the news is not being reported fairly or correctly.

But, hey, you do as you like. Peese refer to the third panel of today's Pearls Before Swine cartoon:

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On 2008-06-18 13:59, gaddy wrote:
If you're interested in privacy issues, you might want to check out this scholarly (yet not boring) paper on the subject of the "I've got nothing to hide" argument and it's problems.

.pdf download here


yes, of course this is why so many important decisions are handled in closed sessions and ... well you know the rest.
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On 2008-06-22 00:09, clynim wrote:
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

A great example to compliment Doug Higley's bill is the 16th amendment to the Constitution. You know the one. You sweat about it every April 15th. Yes, we're talking about the income tax. When it was first imposed, it was meant to be a sort of "Robin Hood" flat rate tax on the rich in order to distribute some of the wealth to the poor. It was also the first amendment that conveyed a right to THE GOVERNMENT, not the people!

All one has to do is look at where the 16th amendment and how it's implemented now vs. the original reason behind its passage to see how far our government can go to maintain control. Nearly everybody pays it, nobody likes it, and there are no plans within government to get rid of it. Once the Feds implemented it across the board during WWII, they realized quickly that it offered an incredible amount of control over the American people. Now we are, for all intents and purposes, slaves to our government, not its masters.

Personally, I think a large part of the problem is two-fold. First, we are whoafully ignorant of how our government works and our full rights as citizens of that government. Of course, the government has a vested interest in keeping us ignorant. The other big problem is that most people really don't care. They just want to get on with their lives with as little intrusion as possible. It's not surprising really, apathy and ignorance always seem to go hand-in-hand.


"When it was first imposed, it was meant to be a sort of "Robin Hood" flat rate tax on the rich in order to distribute some of the wealth to the poor." NO IT WAS NOT!
That is socialism! That is only now what taxation has become, or at least a way for politicians to buy the vote of the people willing to be taken care of by the government.
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