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Bill Ligon
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I have no idea why the reviews of what is a classic (in every sense of the word) book test ended up on the bizarre forum when they clearly belong on a mentalist forum (e.g., Penny For Your Thoughts or Inner Thoughts).


Maybe it was because it was reviewed by bizarrists who first recognized its value.

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On 2008-11-22 09:37, Dick Christian wrote:
For those who care:

I have no idea why the reviews of what is a classic (in every sense of the word) book test ended up on the bizarre forum when they clearly belong on a mentalist forum (e.g., Penny For Your Thoughts or Inner Thoughts). ...
Dick:
It could be that since Shakespeare is the most well know early writer of horror and fantasy, he fits the bizarrist wants. Macbeth, Hamlet, Midsummer Night's Dream, all speak to us, not to mention his earlier work under his previous name (Christopher Marlowe), the classic Doctor Faustus. Ghosts, demons, fairies, death, witchcraft, how can we not be interested? Smile

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These days the magic world is not divided into tiny bundles like
close-up, stage, mentalism, bizarre, storytelling, side-show, any longer.

There are (thankfully) many more grey areas and connections between genres.
With the proper mood and story "mentalism" slips into Bizarre,
with a different approach side-show slips into psychic, and so on.

I do not perform mentalism or mindreading,
yet the Shakespeare Experiment fits my storytelling needs like a glove.

And because of the melding and overlap in magic,
that, is why this thread runs here.

Sorry you were locked out, it seems we need to spead the wealth.

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If you use The Shakespeare Experiment not just to divine an out-of-context thought-of word but take its poetry to evoke feelings, mysteries, airs and stories of elsewhen, that's bizarre, and what a waste if you don't!

Anthony Raven did, after all, co-found the PEA. (And put out a book a little like this of his own . . .)
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On 2008-11-22 09:37, Dick Christian wrote:
For those who care:

I have no idea why the reviews of what is a classic (in every sense of the word) book test ended up on the bizarre forum when they clearly belong on a mentalist forum (e.g., Penny For Your Thoughts or Inner Thoughts). Finding no reviews on either of those forums and not realizing that several reviews -- most of which were pre-publication reviews posted before the book was shipped to purchasers -- had already been posted, I posted a review to the Tricks & Effects forum (where I mistakenly assumed that reviews of newly released products were supposed to be posted) only to have it immediately "locked" by the forum moderator on the grounds that "it has already been reviewed." Anyone interested can still find my "locked" review (which like those here is highly favorable) on page 4 or 5 of the Tricks & Effects forum.


This is not a normal booktest. Todd is a friend to Bizarrists and certainly this was made with Bizarre and Storytelling magic in mind. It has many special features and can be performed outside of the traditional book test realm, unlike other book tests.

And mod action here is often inscrutable, so I wouldn't worry about trying to decipher it. Certainly reviews of banner ad products are more welcome here.
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Please don't read something into my words that isn't there. I do not dispute that many effects are not by their nature limited to a single category. I can also understand that some of the early pre-release review may have been submitted by bizarrists. While Shakespeare's works often dealt with fantasy, I doubt that most literary scholars would consider him primarily a bizarrist. Yes, the Shakespeare Experiment can lend itself to presentation in a bizarre context. So can some card tricks; however, I think most would still classify them as card tricks. The Shakespeare Experiment is a BOOK TEST and book tests, while they may lend themselves to presentation in a variety of contexts, are typically categorized as mentalism and I submit that if a performer is looking for book tests the most logical place to begin a search would be in forums devoted to mentalism.

I see no need to further beat the horse.
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Then, why complain about where the reviews first appeared? They first appeared where they first appeared. Why strike the poor horse in the first place?

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I've been working on this and tried it for the first time tonight. I was all set. My plan was to figure out three words, each one getting clearer as I "tuned in", then once I was fully tuned in, read a passage.

So I was a bit nervous. I had the stuff memorized, but the first time ... well, I was nervous. I'd routined around leaving the bookmark out just in case I needed a reference. (I didn't as it turned out! I'm all proud!) (And the bookmark was in the book ... I just opened to that page when I said I was learning to read, pulled out the bookmark and left it on my table ... and no one even noticed it. It's a BRILLIANT cue sheet.)

I introduced the routine and the justification for what I was doing. I do a light-hearted show, I was learning to read ... other people's books. I could sort of tune in and then just read away. That way if I forgot a book and was on the subway I'd be set. I handed the book to a woman, told her to open it to any page and she did.

Then she bent the hardback cover all the way back to make sure it stayed open.

The crack of the spine breaking was very loud.

The sound of my heart stopping, not so loud.

(Fortunately there are NO visible signs of damage. The book still looks awesome. I have NO idea what she was thinking, I have never in all my life seen anyone treat a hardback like that.)

I didn't really react, though, and just went into the routine. And it went GREAT. I don't go for applause in my show, it's just not my style and I don't really care. I mostly just want to see people smiling and having a good time. But people applauded this. Totally unprompted. I was very pleased indeed.

And the book still looks as good as new even after that horrible handling, and my heart still appears fine!
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Dick Christian, I just read my own post above of Nov. 23, and I see it appears harsher than I intended. I did not mean for it to be offensive.

Evanthx, what a horrible experience! I hope the book is not damaged. I can't imagine anyone treating a book that way, much less a book belonging to someone else.

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As I wrote to Evan yesterday in an email, we bound the book with proper sewing so it could survive mishandling. The enthusiastic spectator undoubtedly bent back the inner spine, which is reinforced with cloth and difficult to damage. This is one of the reasons I didn't want to do a paperback book test...too susceptible to damage!
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I wish I could have two of these -- one to "age" .

This is IDEAL FOR SEANCE WORK - especially if your guide or familiar quotes Shakespeare as messages for sitters. The variation in emotions found in the hot spots allows a more relaxed performance style and multiple uses.

I would say that an astute magician might spot the gaff but as with most book tests the owner would be foolish to let this marvelous book reside in anyone's hands for intense inspection before or after use by one or more sitters.

Too often the emotional content of book tests are ignored -- not so here. The emotions can run rampant if a loquacious performer uses it in touch with his audience.

It is a pro tool for pro performers, both rugged and useful.
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I agree, though it hurts like all heck,
the book is heightened by distressing or aging it
to look a bit less than new off the shelf.
Arguhhhh, suffer for your art!

Magically,
Walt
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On 2008-11-23 10:44, Dick Christian wrote:
"I see no need to further beat the horse...


But you did just want to get the last word in, didn't you? Spoken like a true mentalist, sir! Well done!

fnord!
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On 2008-12-13 21:49, evanthx wrote:
I've been working on this and tried it for the first time tonight. I was all set. My plan was to figure out three words, each one getting clearer as I "tuned in", then once I was fully tuned in, read a passage.

So I was a bit nervous. I had the stuff memorized, but the first time ... well, I was nervous. I'd routined around leaving the bookmark out just in case I needed a reference. (I didn't as it turned out! I'm all proud!) (And the bookmark was in the book ... I just opened to that page when I said I was learning to read, pulled out the bookmark and left it on my table ... and no one even noticed it. It's a BRILLIANT cue sheet.)

I introduced the routine and the justification for what I was doing. I do a light-hearted show, I was learning to read ... other people's books. I could sort of tune in and then just read away. That way if I forgot a book and was on the subway I'd be set. I handed the book to a woman, told her to open it to any page and she did.

Then she bent the hardback cover all the way back to make sure it stayed open.

The crack of the spine breaking was very loud.

The sound of my heart stopping, not so loud.

(Fortunately there are NO visible signs of damage. The book still looks awesome. I have NO idea what she was thinking, I have never in all my life seen anyone treat a hardback like that.)

I didn't really react, though, and just went into the routine. And it went GREAT. I don't go for applause in my show, it's just not my style and I don't really care. I mostly just want to see people smiling and having a good time. But people applauded this. Totally unprompted. I was very pleased indeed.

And the book still looks as good as new even after that horrible handling, and my heart still appears fine!



A little scary, no? Having worked with books in my life so long, I often forget that most people, in fact, don't know how to properly care for them...

Also, to fine book owners -please know that there is a proper "breaking in" period (and method) for new books to insure that they are conditioned for being opened at any page without your well justified fear that some damage could occur to the spine.

Wow... I'd sure love to get a copy of this effect!
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Hi Gaddy,
I lovingly broke mine in,
and you may want to tip that method here for expensive book lovers,
and if we can find the time I'd be happy to show you my copy...
in case you want to have a heavy talk with Santa soon.
Magically,
Walt
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I too would be really interested in learning how to break in a book. I poked around online a bit and this is, in my completely inexperianced opinion probably the best explination http://www.ehow.com/how_2293208_break-new-book.html
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On 2008-12-17 12:08, SpellbinderEntertainment wrote:
Hi Gaddy,
I lovingly broke mine in,
and you may want to tip that method here for expensive book lovers,
and if we can find the time I'd be happy to show you my copy...
in case you want to have a heavy talk with Santa soon.
Magically,
Walt


It's pretty simple, just time consuming.

Lie the covers down flat with the spine flat on the table as well. Continue doing this to every couple of pages or so, pressing down gently-yet-firmly on the middle of the pages near the spine.

Every 30 pages or so on both sides lift the middle registers of pages up by one or both hands, allowing the recently laid down pages and covers to hang down loosely, further loosening the spine (only do this for the 1st 2/3 of the book -you don't want the middle pages to come out!)

Continue laying down the pages like this all the way to the middle. Then do the same thing laying down pages from the front only. The do the same thing from the back of the book.

By this point you should have a well broken-in spine on your fine, expensive book!
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If you wanted to age it here are a few ideas-
* use a cotton ball and coffee (or a darker tea) and paint the pages.
* if you wanted to make look as if it had been in a fire braze it with a torch
* rub the leather and edges of the paper with sand paper
* personalize it with a fountain pen behind the cover (ex- To my dearest Tommy love Grand Ma)
* age leather cover with brown shoe polish
* mist the book with water and place it in a warm, dark, and humid place for mildew look and smell
* press some 4 leaf clovers, flowers, and old photos in the book to give it that used feel

Just a thought =)
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Supercool, do you realize this is not just any book? If I could afford one, I would think more than twice about distressing it! Just thinking about it is painful!
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Yes, I know it is really nice, I was just giving a few ideas. I personally would want it to look old but not damaged.
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