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Hey everyone, I'm currently working on a stand up routine largly centerd on Rocco's FISM act. I took some of the moves and put my own spin on them but I'm looking for somthing to top everything off at the end of the routine. Any ideas? Preferably not somthing I have to buy, as my budget is very limited Smile.

Thanks! ,Tyler
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Tyler,

I do not mean to sound mean or show disrespect but I think you are headed down a very bad avenue. the reason is that you basically told us you are "borrowing" Rocco's FISM Act. Even borrowing anything from the act that Rocco designed is copying and is wrong in my book. Rocco spent a lot of time developing that act and for anyone to even remotely do anything from the act is not justified in the least.

My advice is to walk away from it and to not do anything from that act at allo. Learn instead to think creatively and to develop creative acts and thoughts that fit who YOU are and fit YOUR personality as a magician. This makes for much stronger magic instead of magic clones.

We all have the ability to be very creative. We just have to stop from using other people's magic or parts of their acts. We need to develop acts and creative ideas on our own.

Just food for thought and hope you will think about this. I would absolutely NOT do anything close to Roccos FISM act. It is just not right.

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I appricate what your saying but it doesn't make much sense to me. Are you saying people who sell DvD's teaching there tricks or routines are ment to just be veiwed, and you don't take a single thing out of them and perform it? I bought Daryls Ambitious Card video awhile ago, am I to blame for now performing some of his moves in my ACR? This makes almost no sense to me. Im hoping you can clarify.
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Thanks Tjkie22 for writing and posting. I understand where you are coming from and it is my hope that I can clarify my thoughts a bit more for you. To show where I am coming from with this at least. Hope it helps.

I am basically telling you that even if Rocco teaches you how to do the tricks that comprise his FISM act, if it comes directly from his own FISM act... DO NOT DO THEM! It will make everyone view you as another Rocco copycat. It also does nothing for your own growth. You need to be different and to stand out and to be unique.

I am not saying do not use moves taught on a DVD. You certainly can as they become the tools of the trade to make and create a great act. The problem lies in using any of those moves to basically create an act identical or in part similar to that of the artist.

In this case Rocco does a lot of this in his FISM winning act. He decided to make some money off of it by teaching it to magicians. This is fine to learn the moves but as a magician I would not use any of them to put an act together if that act ends up looking like what Rocco presented at FISM. It would just not serve me well.

Thew end result has to be an act that is polar different then what rocco did at FISM. If any part of my new act looks too similar to Rocco's FISM act, then you are not doing yourself any good. The end result must look totally different and be very unique to yourself.

Hope this helps clarify my point better.

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Thanks I do understand where your coming from now. I think you might have misunderstood me as well. My act has NO compleatly identical parts to Rocco's act. It does how ever incorperate the moves he uses, this is what I ment by being developed off Rocco's act. Im using props not even in Rocco's act, IE: Sunglasses, Skittles, Vanishing Candels. I was just wondering if anyone had an idea of what could be done to top all of this off.

,Tyler
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I may have misunderstood as that does happen on the Café. lol thanks for clarifying this with me. Aww perfect then you are on the right track. I took your first post as to say your learning the moves taught and then basically copying Rocco's FISM act. That was how I read it and I was trying to steer you in a direction of learning the moves and then creating an act that is totally different and unique to you. It looks like you are doing exactly that and that is very cool to see.

Now in order to assist you with the creation of the act you are building, tell us more about it. what is your character on stage, what is the music like, what is the style you perform in and the pacing? Tell us if there is a story being told or what you are trying to convey to the audience. then we can work on what might work best for you.

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Charecter(sp?) is somthing iv struggled with, iv tried to develop one but iv found the one that works best is me just being myself, wich is a charecter in itself. Im very laid back, in a calm manner. I jest with the audience quite a bit and I perform magic with a smile on my face. The music is very upbeat. There is no real story, in this part of my show I tell my audience just what it is that I'm doing a "minipulation act". I have a small story behind that about how some of the greatest magicans of all time have had manipulation acts, and it is one true way to tell the skill of a magican. Then I go into my act but I have yet to find a nice finale.

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Hi Tyler,

Thanks for writing back to me and giving me some additional information. So is the purpose of thw act to be an act you perform only in your larger show format? So you perform your show and this is one segment that is in the show? I just want to be sure is all that I understand you. If this is the case, how long is your full show and what markets (venues) are you performing the show at currently and what are your clients. That can also influence exactly how best to do the act.

Your character can certainly be an extension of yourself but you then have to define yourself very well and you need to convey the character well to the audience. Even being yourself can mean adding in areas of humor or a smile or a jovial demeanor. It could be more serious toned and the actions more powerful. Only you can define that based upon what you do currently in the show and how your present yourself to the audience.

I like the approach of telling a story about magic and history and having this piece become your tribute to the past greats of magic. That can certainly work out well. You just have to set it up right and have the patter make sense. I would not use the word "manipulation" to the audience as it means nothing to the lay audience except to us magicians. This is a small point though. it just means working out the patter so it sounds and is worded right.

if doing a larger show, you could also present a video of slides of magicians of the past that you admired and that influenced you in the art. those magicians who always thgought to strive for creativity and grow the art of magic. Then you perform your act afterwards. That could also work.

Hope this gets you thinking.

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Please give us some of your ideas that you have come up with to use as a finale item.

List your act for us so we can see where you are coming from. We need something to work with, before ideas can flow.
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Exactly. The more information and background you can give us, the better off we can be to assist you with ideas and concepts ad thoughts that you might want to try or explore.

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Also a quick Character exercise is to have several close friends and family discribe you on paper. This may seem odd but your close friends know you and should be able to write a paragraph that tells someone how they would describe you. then use this as a basis for undertanding what parts of yourself you want an audience to see. thenuse this information to convey in the manipulations you are doing.
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The problem that I run into is that I learn card manipulation from Jeff McBrides DVD, and Dove magic from Tony Clark, and like Lance Burtons Style as well as idolized him as a kid.

I know that Lance Burton was not the first magician to create an act centered around the Lamp Post Theme, neither did he invent fantasio candles (just used them) he adapted his style from Channing Pollock.

So with this said a magician once told me to dig into the history books, and find stuff that hasn't been used for years, and then use it. Where are the history books and where to find them? What are some recommendations for resources on creating and developing a nice act from something that has been repeated over and over again in routines? example Card Manipulations

Maybe we just shouldn't be copying Rocco's act action for action, word for word, props for props example Violin Case, sexy feel, etc. Hasn't the card manipulation been done by many way before himself or Lance Burton?

BUT

What if you style is like Lance's or Rocco's? Isn't that possible?



I want to use the "Fan To See" whom the originator wasn't Jeff McBride whom sells them, but he just made them operational with one hand. The problem is that jumbo cards are a fantastic finale, but "fan to see" is used as a finale by so many card guys.

So I end my singles from both hands with fans, but what then after that? That isn't strong enough for a finale?

Sorry but this exact reason is why I have held back from creating and developing an act for so long, and I am not taking sides or objecting anyones opinions, but just looking for some inspiration.

I don't like the idea of creating a colorful character for the routine, and don't believe that lance is anthing more than himself during his dove act. Why cant we just be us up there doing incredibale things? Isn't that what magic is all about?

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Lets not forget that Rocco put his FISM act together to sell his DVD on sleeving, so would it really be a wise act to use to base your own upon? Selling is not the same as entertaining.
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I think the "appearing cane" is a GREAT finale, although you may already be using it as part of your show...
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Just always remember a trick is just a trick and a prop is just a prop.Neither make the magician. I can teach a monkey to do a trick. That does not mean I am going to pay him to "entertain" an audience. It is what you yourself do with the prop or the trick that starts tomakeyou stand out. We each have our own style and personality and character on stage.These are the things that need to come forth to devlop an entertaining experience.

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On 2008-12-03 20:48, magic4u02 wrote:
Just always remember a trick is just a trick and a prop is just a prop.Neither make the magician. I can teach a monkey to do a trick. That does not mean I am going to pay him to "entertain" an audience. It is what you yourself do with the prop or the trick that starts tomakeyou stand out. We each have our own style and personality and character on stage.These are the things that need to come forth to devlop an entertaining experience.

Kyle


AGREED!!!
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Hey Kyle I want to see this monkey you trained to do a trick!!!!!

ha ha hee hee.

ok boys and girls I agreee and disagree. yea that's what I said. I absolutley agreee with kyle that you should not in any way copy another act. I do not want to be known as the next rocco but rather the first sam sandler!
that being said I do agree that you need to look to performers that you enjoy and relate to and pull from their routines - Ideas and in some cases maybe even the same trick but add to it. for instance I do fantasio candles as do so many others, some of my moves are considered standard (because they work well) other moves I have developed to fit my need and personality.

so Tyler here is what I suggest. take out routine and all the props that go with it lay them out and look at them and think to yourself what can I do to make it different.

some ideas from you said - turn the sunglasses into giant clown sunglasses
produce the skittles seperate and then magically have them rebagged
if using fantasio candles do a color change however instead of the candle just chaning color have it vanish and become a silk of the same color then vanish the other candle into a dove (yes its been done but you did something different first)
or turn it into a hand full of salt, and go into a salt pour routine.

I used to think that everything was already thought of and there is nothing origianl anymore boy was I wrong. I changed my thinking and started looking outside of magic for ideas to apply to magic and that was when I really got creative.

best of luck and if you need or would like some other ideas let me know.

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I forgot to mention a finale which is waht you really wanted.

I woudl highly recomend either a silk fountain or a silk blendo. I know Iknow they are already being done by others myself included but lay people love them.

if you do a silk blendo you can do it to an american flag which will guarentee a great big applause at the end. ot another idea would be to end with a fan production and maybe a handfull of skittles but as you wave the fan the skittles turn into color snowstorm. that would be a really big finish!
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