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I am thinking about getting the chair suspension illusion, but am wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a routine with it. I've seen a bunch of magicians perform it, but they didn't seem to have any story or patter to go along with it. Thanks in advance!
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Check this information out.

http://www.magicenhancer.com./ChairSuspension.html

It's by my good friend Kyle Peron who is a member right here on the Café. It has a ton of useful information pertaining to this effect!

BTW, welcome to the Magic Café!


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There are a couple of posts on the Café about routines for the chair suspension.

Look em up.
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When planning a purchase, or planning a presentation,
I always begin with a list of “whys”.

Now granted-- there is a difference between
“real world” logic and “magical stage” logic,
but even in Fantasy, there are rules of logic to be considered.

So, WHY would I have two chairs and a board on stage?
(what would they represent, what are they symbolically)
WHY would I invite a young-person or assistant to lie down?
WHY would they “defy gravity” or “suspend”?
(are they in a dream-state,
or do they become lighter,
or are they held up by air or a balloon,
or has their center of balance shifted, etc, etc.)
WHY would I remove only one chair and not both???

I also ask myself a series of “Whats” such as:
WHAT is this piece about, on an archetypal level?
WHAT emotion or mood do I want to create?
WHAT does the audience see and perceive?
WHAT leaps of logic do the spectator’s mind take? ,
WHAT do I want to impart and want them to leave with?

Once I’ve discovered what a given Illusions means to ME,
uncovered the symbolic and logical “Whys-and-Whats”,
ONLY then starting to write a presentation or story become easier.

I also think you need to consider practical things,
like return-on-investment,
is this piece “you”,
will you incorporate it into most of your shows,
and will this enhance your show and reputation.

There are a lot of posts on the Chair Suspension,
and as a new Café member it’s a great opportunity to “Search” around,
and see all the practical and creative information you can find.

Best of luck,
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Thanks guys for the very kind words. It is much appreciated. I was able to PM and email Kippteacher and give some advice that way as well. Hope it is of help.

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The book from Kyle is the way to go. I purchased the book prior to the illusion. One thing I added was a large (?) question mark made from vinyl on the bottom of the board. After I remove the board I display the (?) mark very casually... Works for me...

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Thanks so much Shawn. I do appreciate it. Love the ? mark idea. Good creativity there my friend. Hope the ebook was of help to you.

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Im working in a routine about a magician visiting a Furniture store and the end is the Chair Suspension that acts as an impromptu table...im working with it...what you think Kyle??
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Well, I think its a good I idea. Sorry I had to budge in here, my name's Kyle too! haha. you could walk into a designer furniture store...You don't find table that are help up by chairs do you? Anyways, lets find out what Kyle Peron thinks...

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LOL, no problem Kyle, your opinions are welcome as well!! You are right...but for me that's the more logical way to introduce the Chairs and the table...im working on the concept now but any input its well accepted!
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Hansel not a bad idea but it really deends on how you plan on presenting this and what your story line is. Are you planning this with a child or an adult helper? Is it an assistant from your show or someone from the audience? Anwsers to these wuestions is pivitol to the direction you take and the ay you will need to perform it or routine it.

If you are using a child from the audience, a few important rules to think about with rutining are as follows:

- You must take it slow and have a slow pace. Fast movements and such around the helper will only tend to scare the helper

- You need to build trust with the helper. You can not just get them up on stage and then plop them on the board and go right into it. It just will not work well

- You will need to set up your routine with yur patter and your comedy bits (if playing it for comedy) early on when the helper comes up. This is done so that you can get the helper to A) get relaxed by interacting with you and 2) get them to start trusting you before you go into it.

- When you do the actual placing of the person on the chairs, you need to slow down and take it in slow steps. Do not force or rush it to fast. This is new to the helper and so you take it in slow stps. (these steps I cover off on in detail in my ebook).

- I try and keep the routine and pater a bit more serious and mellow as I am doing the routine itself with them on the board. the reaosn is that I have to understand the child or helper is on this thing and chances are they are bervous. I need to be aware of that and make sure I do not do anything in my routine at that point that may scare them or frighten them so I try and keep that part of the routine a bit more subdued.

There are more thoughts I have but I will have to chime in more later. I would be happy to help you with this. My pleasure.

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I inroduce mine as my very first dining room set. I say "my bologna never had a first name!" I go into more details about it as the routine progresses. Parents get chuckles and the kids think it's wacky and laugh. I agree, you should introduce your props so they don't seem too gimmicky!!
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It is not so much introducing them as it is making the entire thing entertaining to the audience. The props is just a prop but you need toadd the entertainment value from what you say, how you say it, character, theme, storytelling, music etc. etc. Give the routine substance and create drama of laughter.

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I had been using my Chair suspension for quite some time before I received Kyle's eBook. Its an eye opener. It brings up points I'd never even considered, and now consider vital knowledge. It has improved the way I present the CS. I've also purchased Kyle's lecture notes, Encore, but I've not found the time to sit down and have a good read. One thing I will say is Kyle knows his stuff. His CS notes are an essential buy!

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I agree with you Mark!

Kyle is a very talented magician and a very helpful also. He is so generous and doesn't think about money all the time. His e-book is really nice and full of precious information. I wish there are more magicians as Kyle in our bussines today!...

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Mark,

thank you so very much for your kind words on my ebooks. I really do appreciate them as I strive to write and put out information that I feel magicians can learn and benefit from to be able to make them better performers of the art.

the chair book came about simply because I had done all this research myself as I could not find anything out there on the illusion at all. The more I looked the more I realized I had to test things, research stuff, try out routines and approaches and come up with my own safety tips.

This information I wrote down and I compiled it all. This is what became the very first ebook I ever put together. 3 years later I am just shocked it has had the impact it has had and has helped as many as it has helped. I honestly only hoped I could just help one person but it is nice to know I can help so many more.

At some point I am going to expand on the ebook of the chairs as there is a lot more information I have acquired since that was written. If I do expand it, I will let you all know for sure. my pleasure to do so.

Soleil:
Thank you again for your kind words as well. I really appreciate them. My newest ebook "Encore! Creatuvity in the Art of magic!" has been fun putting together. it was done so as it is the expanded lecture notes from my full lecture by the same name.

I wanted to do a lecture unlike any other. To me there have been far too many trick lectures and I for one am not the most tech savy master wizard out there. However I wanted to take what I learned over the years with the chair illusion and performing and being an artist and do a lecture that is all about learning to take your magic to new levels of creativity.

We all own more magic then we will ever need. we do not need more magic but we do need to learn better ways to be creative with the magic we already have. It is my hope this new ebook and the chair ebook can helps others to learn and to broden their horizons.

Thanks again guys and please let me know if there is ever any questions you have about the ebooks or the information in them.

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I just wanted to take a moment to say THANK YOU for all the great and kind support and emails I have received over the past few months in regards to the chair suspension Ebook. I am humbled and thank you for your kind words. I hope it is of help to you all.

Please also feel free (as many have) to PM or email me directly if you have any questions at all about this fine illusion. I would be happy to answer them for you and assist in any way that I can. I would rather have people informed and educated then having folks performing in incorrectly and with lack of safety.

Thanks again to you all for your support.

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