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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts |
I've recently thought about getting this to perform as part of my kids act,
obviously its quite expensive, although cheap cpmpared to most illusions but what ive seen during my researech is you can buy the plans from certain places to make your own "at a fraction of the cost" it states can you build your own? will it work the same? is it hard to make? cheers guys
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Terry Owens Inner circle Ft. Wayne, Indiana 1707 Posts |
I wouldn't try it...if you're going to use it with children then I would opt to purchase the one that Klamm carries. I've had it for 20 years and it's still in great condition.
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owln_1 Loyal user dallas /now live by tulsa 222 Posts |
I believe you can, if you can work with the mediums that’s required. Owln_1
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
Good Lord,
A good Jim Sommers model (approved for safety before being used by Ronald McDonalds) Sells for under $500 (from Klamm) Buy it! You'll spend twice that much in headaches trying to build it right. You're dealing with spectator or assistant safety and law-suits here. Don't be like the guys who don't buy performer's insurance because it's "too much", then get sued when a spectator trips on the way to the stage. The construction both either the metal or wooden models is tricky, balance and solid welding are essential. This is a case where you get much more than you pay for. And get Lyle's e-book on performance tips and safety too, it will save you a world of experimentation and trouble. If you can’t afford it and you aren’t an expert experienced Illusion builder, then go for something simple like Victory Cubes. Magically, Walt |
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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts |
Think I'll save the cash needed!!!
cant be doing with headaches!
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Terry Owens Inner circle Ft. Wayne, Indiana 1707 Posts |
It would be hard enough on me if someone got hurt in one of my programs, let alone knowing that what I built is what caused their injury...
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Barry Donovan Special user 848 Posts |
Only thing is that they are so much more expensive in the uk than the u.s, you get them for $500 but its about $700-$800 here before shipping, god knows what shipping to the uk from the us would be?
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Hi all. Thank you Walt for your kind words about my chair suspension ebook. It has been a great resource for many so far and it is my hopes that the ebook can help a lot ofpeoplesolve amny problems they are faced with. I also hope it helps folks who may be thinking of purchasing this illusion.
In my humbleopinion, I would not reccommend building this illusion at all. There are just so MANY things that have to be just right for it towork and function properly.Also, because you are using an audience helper, you must take and place safety at the top of the list when performing this or building it. You also will find that by the time you get the parts and welds and chairs, you are going to be paying clse to the retailprice of a new one. A new Sommers or MakMagic version sells for 450 US. That is not bad at allfor a good illusion.One or 2 gigs pays the thing off easily and you have a fine illusion that willlast you for many years of you take care of it and follow some simply safety and performance tips. Besides a Sommer'smodel is also the ones that McDonalds decided to go with fdor the durability and safety. It just makes more sense in my mind to purchase a new one and not have the headache and time involved in trying to buildone that functions perfectly. You must think of this as an investment. I have had mine for years and the illusion itself is a HUGE selling point in marketing of certain shows. I wouldeasily have paid double if not triple the amount just toown mine. The reason is simple, I get ten times back on the shows I book. It is an investment in my show. 1 -3 gigs pays the entire illusion off. It is also one of the cheapest illusions you will buy. Kyle
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts |
Purist,
Just PMed you with some detailed and private information on getting this. Walt |
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kendavis Regular user 182 Posts |
I be careful on which suspension you buy. The one made by MakMagic is for light weight use only! The directions recommend no more than 90 pounds. I sold my Mak and replaced it with a much stronger unit sold by Hocus Pocus several years ago.
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Chezaday Inner circle Naperville, IL 1673 Posts |
Although its probably hard to find, I like the Abbott's version the best. These are wooden chairs with all the necessary gimmicks hidden in the construction. I've had kids well over 100 pounds on there with no problem.
I've worked on a few of the other models with the Samsonite chairs and I wouldn't trust them. They just aren't stable .. and these days how could you take a chance. I've used the Abbott's model for hundreds if not thousands of performances .. no joke. This is a simple, practical illusion that we use in just about every show. Steve |
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M-Illusion Special user 549 Posts |
I agree with Steve here, the Abbott version is tough to beat!
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Abbots version is not bad at all if you can find it. It is hard to come by. I have seen it from time to time and it works very well. The other models are not bad at all IF you know what to expect and what they are intended to do safely. that is the key. You must understand your limits and safety precautions beofre ever performing it. I have had my model chair suspension for years and it has seen hundreds of shows and is still in perfect condition.
As Steve said.. it is indeed simple, practical, easy to transport and plays very big. Kyle
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magicbob116 Inner circle 1522 Posts |
Kyle's chair suspension e-book has been extremely helpful to me. In this litigious society, his safety tips alone are worth the price of the book!
Bob
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Thank you so much Bob for your very kind words about my ebook. I very much appreciate that. I hope that it may be of help to others as well.
Kyle
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts |
Just buy one of ebay. They go for about £200 on there.
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
I can vouch for the Abbott's Chair Suspension. It's solid! I can't imagine a more stable chair suspension. Brad Lancaster found a used one for me back in the early 90s and I've been using it ever since.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
That is great Alan. Yeah the Abbots model certainly is not bad at all (if you can find one). It is very sturdy and plays very well. The mak Model is not too bad but I prefer the Sommers model if I had to choose between the mak or the Sommers brands. They both work well but a lot does depend on you knowing how to use it porperly.
Kyle
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estone Regular user 126 Posts |
No ones uses the Bill Smith prop, best in the world, can hold adult. This is the one for all your needs, forever. Built like tank.
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magic4u02 Eternal Order Philadelphia, PA 15110 Posts |
Oh people do use it but the problem comes in the form of 2 main factors. 1) price and 2) what you intend to do with it. In most cases, many magicians want to perform this at kid's birthday parties or family-style events and are looking to only float a child. In this fashion, a Sommers or Mak model works perfectly fine for this and at a cost that most magicians of this level can afford easily.
Now if you are thinking of floating an adult or an adult assistant, then there is no other logical choice then to get the Bill Smith model chair suspension and go that route. So, it really depends upon your needs and what you plan on doing with the illusion in the markets you are performing for. Kyle
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