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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
I am looking on a web site to purchase a jumbo size Invisible Deck and see this:
INVISIBLE DECK: (D. Allen) (Actually it's `Ultra-Mental,' by Joe Berg.) Then you see: ULTRA-MENTAL: (Joe Berg) - This effect is also known as the "Invisible Deck". And the UM deck is cheaper than the ID. Is there a difference in the decks and the way they can be used? Ed |
Jeff Corn Inner circle Las Vegas 1190 Posts |
No. The Invisible Deck name came from the presentation that David Blaine used on tv. It's the same presentation that most people have been using for years, but it was the Ultra Mental first. Two names, the same item.
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tomcards Elite user San Francisco 403 Posts |
Guys,
I am forced to step in and set the record straight. The Invisible Deck presentation for the Ultra Mental Deck was created by Eddie Fields. The story of how he developed the presentation can be found in Jon Racherbaumer's delightful book, The Further Artful Dodges of Eddie Fields. Tom Frame |
Jeff Corn Inner circle Las Vegas 1190 Posts |
Thanks for that information. I hadn't heard that before. My post wasn't intended to say that Blaine created that presentation. That's very obviously not true.
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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
So there is no difference between the two decks in how they function or how they can be used? I just see them listed separately by the same dealers for different prices!
Ed |
silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
There is no difference whatsoever.
In a nutshell, the "Invisible Deck" is the name of a routine (not a deck, even though it's popularly used to refer to a deck, it's not technically correct to do so.) "Ultra Mental" is the name of a gaffed deck. People often call both the routine and the gaffed deck by either of the two names, "Invisible Deck" or Ultra Mental" deck. There is no difference between something called an "Invisible Deck" and something called an "Ultra Mental" deck. The fact that the names are used interchangeably, (and incorrectly) doesn't make it easy to understand, but now you know Both decks are exactly the same. |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2008-07-10 15:42, tomcards wrote: I have been wondering if Eddie Fields was influenced by the Theodor Annemann's idea described in September 1935 issue of "Jinx". Annemann's beginning half of the presentation is exactly same as today's 'Invisible Deck'. Annemann first introduces an invisible deck. He pretends to shuffle the deck. He let spectator shuffle the deck. Spectator pretends to select a card, remember it and return it to the deck. Only difference from 'ID' is that Annemann takes out an invisible card from the invisible deck in his pocket and it becomes visible. It is my supposition that Eddie Fields read that issue of "Jinx". Yes, it is a supposition, but it is becoming my belief. Hideo Kato |
tomcards Elite user San Francisco 403 Posts |
Hideo,
Wow! I wasn't aware of that possible scenario! I'll run this by Racherbaumer and see if he has considered this possibility. Thanks, Tom Frame |
Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
I forgot to mention there is the older source about 'Invisible Deck'.
On April 1955 issue of "Linking Ring", A.L.Baldwin described Bobo's 'Invisible Deck'. Baldwin says Bobo invented 'Invisible Deck'. The explanation of the effect is same as today's ID. Bobo spread the cards in vertical condition in front of his chest to produce the face down selection among face up cards. In many cases, we talk about things existed in old days. Hideo Kato |
Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
Thanks much for the info!
Ed |
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