The two numbers are 64 and 108, the first one in the Tantric tradition and the latter in the Vaishnava tradition. But if they say there are 64 moves the surely must have existed. The whole trouble about Indian magic is excess of secrecy; which is killing the art and in process a lot of techniques and tricks have been lost. I hope the culture of Magic shops like in the USA and Europe arrives in India as well.

The best place to see some street magicians is near the Red Fort in Old Delhi or near the Qutub in Delhi. If you can spend some time out you should try and reash Kathputli Colony. It is almost a slum but here is where all the street magicians live, including Ishammuddin who discovered the first part of Indian Rope Trick. If you can and is still alive try and catch hold of Chand Baba. He is good and knows a lot of traditional tricks.

The most popular Magic Word equivalent of Abracadabra in Hindi is "Chu Mantar". A lot of street magicinas also use words like "Churlu" in the north. It does not mean anything. Just a nonsense word like Hosuc Focus. In Calcutta they say "Jai Kali" refering to the Black Goddess of the Occult Kali.

Finally a cool video from Shankar Junior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DMviA0gbO8

Following this suggestion I ordered this set of Cups and Balls and the result has been a disaster.
I placed the order on your website Magic 4 Less 6 july 2011. They received the money on the same day. But nothing happened.
On 15th July I wrote another mail but no reply. I again wrote another mail on 12th August and on 14th I got a reply from Robert Bowden saying that he would look into this. Again nothing happened. I wrote another mail on 25th August and still not reply came. I called
Again I wrote to you on 12 August. You replied on that you will have this check on 14 August.

As I did not get your reply, on 25th August I wrote again. But no reply. Finally today I called the number which figures on the web page (801) 651-1982. An answering machine poped up, "saying please leave your phone number and we would get back to you". Immediately another message poped up saying, "The Mail box for this number is full.". So I could not even leave a message. It is unfortunate and I think very unprofessional. Finally today I filed a complaint with Paypal that I should get my refund. I don't think this is going to happen so I have lost USD 50 approx. I have been duped. So be careful. If someone knows Robert Bowden and can help me I would be thankful.

You have to submit a claim with Paypal within 45 days of your purchase.

You are right but since he replied back to me saying that he would look into it once he is back I gave a fellow magician some more time and that was my mistake it seems.

OK. Here is your next course of action if you want satisfaction.

http://www.consumerprotection.utah.gov/complaints/index.html

It is a Utah area code.

At the same time file a complaint with the IFCC.

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

Gary Kosnitzky I will give it a try.

Where do you see him perform can you give some more information please.

I PM'ed you.

What about the meir yedid cups for$75?

It really doesn't matter what kind of cups you get if your not going
to perform in the traditional style.

In order to perform in the traditional style you need
an authentic traditional style hindu cup.

Well ,thats the plan.To sit and study the work and add it to my act.I can sit indian style so I'm good. But since reading the wall and not investing in morresey cups,I thought the Meir cups looked nice..but if they won't get the job done.

I have seen a lot of nice looking Ping Pong paddles.
Maybe I wil buy one to play golf with.

Afterall they are real nice looking and you can hit a ball with them.

As an afterthought I will sell these Ping Pong paddles to everyone that doesn't know
about how golf really works and tell them that these paddles are real nice looking and are used to play golf.

Some people might be interested in golf rules and swings but not in playing golf just as some might be interested in the Historic Indian Cups routine and moves but not interested in doing the original routine. Perhaps some are interested in developing their own original routine utilizing Western moves as well as Eastern moves in a stand up situation using whatever they want for cups. There is nothing wrong with that.
MR

Yes

Interesting thread, indeed! So, where do things stand now?

Jim