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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZMKTgTiYaU


A fascinating thing about this one to me is the quasi-ritualistic touches. Posing prayerfully with the wand, ringing the bell over the cups as though he were cleansing them, etc. I would be interested to see how a lay audience would react to this kind of presentation.
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Some interesting things going on... Looks like the same cups that Shankar Jr. was selling. I liked much of it, the bell and some of the movements.
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Very entertaining...thanks for posting.

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This video is very informative for me, but so long to watch...

I'm getting interested in this style of cups and balls. However, I do not find it comfortable sitting in that position. Is it lotus? Anyway, sitting like that ain't for me. However, I would like to perform this trick someday.

The sleights are hard, man. I've tried off and on for half the day. While shopping this afternoon, I was in the thrift store and ran across 6 little matching bowls for $1.29. Of course, I picked 'em right up. They are stainless steel and have, uh, feet, is it?

Man, classic palming these balls is difficult!

Playing with these little bowls is interesting. I find it hard not to resort to using regular C&Bs techniques and sleights.
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This fellow competed at the IBM convention in Nashville. He is a very pleasant fellow. Most of the people didn't "get" his routine at all. But, it was very entertaining and educational for me.
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This guy is a killer of many best tricks. I know him personally. He does not invest time to practice tricks. I give him 0.5 marks out of 10. Here is another video, this magician uses a few moves but best moves from original Indian cups and balls routine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv7YNGwtCE8&feature=related
Another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9DPHJV0X8o&feature=related
Here is a far better video. He tries to justify the original routine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTuX_uvm-Qw
I give 4 marks out of 10.
The best routine of Indian cups and balls is in the name of late Indian magician Vazhakkunnam Namboothiri.
Best performer alive is Magician Nanu PP. Here is newspaper coverage on Nanu: http://www.hinduonnet.com/mp/2004/07/29/......0200.htm

I have been researching this topic for last 10 years. I perform it decently. I have studied it from more than 20 magicians. I will release a video on this topic. Looking for good producer like L&L.

There are some moves performed by Vazhakkunnam, which stands above Tommy Wonder's final load methods (in my opinion). (Don't ask YouTube links.)

Sitting is the Pathmasana pose of Yoga. It can be mastered in 3 weeks time.

Sam Dalal sells this cups and balls.

Looking forward to further discussion.
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Is 'Cheppum Panthum' the Hindi term for cups and balls, or is it some other language, such as Bengali?

Interesting to see the amount of Western technique that has been absorbed into the routine of the fellow who performs the cups and balls on "the Great Indian Magic Show."

BTW, some of us will NEVER be able to master the Pathmasana pose -- not in three week's or three years' time. Trust me on this!

Thanks for posting this material.
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Hi,
'Cheppum Panthum' is not Hindi. It's Draveedian language, which include all south Indian Languages, Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Telungu. Before Arians migrated to India from Old Iran, only Tamil existed as common peoples' language. Sanscrete was not usually spoken language.
Masters of this trick, Vazhakkunnam, Nanu, Prahlad Achraia and the magician performed in the first video, are from southern part of India.

There are two styles of sitting poses in Indian C&B, Rajamura - Padmasana pose. Kakalimura - an easy pose; one can see a magician performing Indian C&B in this pose in the video 'Story of Magic'.
I took only three weeks to master Padmasana pose with the help of a yoga book. It was in childhood. I belonged to an orthodox Muslim group, where magic and yoga are forbidden. Videos of yoga training available on Internet.

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When I was 12 years old, I could sit in that position. But, that's been a loooong time!

If I tried it now, I would tear several tendons and ligaments.
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I agree that sitting in that pose for 15 minutes is a bit painful if not experienced.

There are some techniques to achieve this pose. There are some basic poses before start practicing Padmasana, which are easier. I am writing this to motivate the western people to perform Indian cups and balls.
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I'm over 60 years old. There is no way that I could possibly get into either of those positions without suffering major physical damage.

Regarding performing Indian cups in the West -- Pete Biro is probably the most adept at this routine of all of the Westerners.
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I like a lot of things about this routine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTuX_uvm-Qw

He has really improved his technique and adopted some Western moves to enhance the routine. I would prefer less talking, though.

Doing these cups sitting on the floor is the natural way of doing things and opens up some nice loading and ditching possibilities.

I find it strange that several of you find the sitting position difficult. I am well over 60 and have no trouble at all with the position. I have sat in this position for as long as I can remember and still do so - often while seated in a chair. I find it most comfortable. It is a natural way to play with children. Do any of you ever get down on their level to play?
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Researcher,
This is magician Prahlad Acharya.

Pete Biro,
Why not take part in discussions?
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On 2009-11-05 02:26, Magic Researcher wrote:
I find it strange that several of you find the sitting position difficult. I am well over 60 and have no trouble at all with the position. I have sat in this position for as long as I can remember and still do so - often while seated in a chair. I find it most comfortable. It is a natural way to play with children. Do any of you ever get down on their level to play?
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I don't have any children or grandchildren. So, why would I get down on their level to play? I blew my knees out while I was in the Army, so my movements are quite restricted. Not that it's any of your business.

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Researcher,
This is magician Prahlad Acharya.

Pete Biro,
Why not take part in discussions?


Look at the second post in this thread. If you want to see Pete's comments about the cups and balls, go to the upper right corner of the screen and click on the word [Search]

When the search screen comes up, put "Pete Biro" where it says "search by username", and where it says "Search in" put in "Ever so Sleightly". You will find more than 2,000 posts by Pete. If you want to narrow it to Indian cups, put "Indian cups" where it says "Search by Keywords". Then, you will see many, many posts by Pete Biro on the Indian Cups.
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I am amazed at how they vanish the ball and how they make it appear under a specific cup. I cannot figure it out. Guess I will have to watch those videos again.

One thing that stood out to me more than anything else among all those videos of Indian style C&Bs is the way their hands moved. It's as if they were all taught by the same teacher or something. Makes me wonder what would happen if they were to try the classic Dai Vernon C&Bs routine?

There was one Indian C&Bs video on YouTube that I liked the best where I think he was using 4 cups. His routine was very engaging, and I could watch him again and again.
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Madkiki,
Can you please find the link for 4 cups routine?
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I am amazed at how they vanish the ball and how they make it appear under a specific cup. I cannot figure it out. Guess I will have to watch those videos again.

One thing that stood out to me more than anything else among all those videos of Indian style C&Bs is the way their hands moved. It's as if they were all taught by the same teacher or something. Makes me wonder what would happen if they were to try the classic Dai Vernon C&Bs routine?

There was one Indian C&Bs video on YouTube that I liked the best where I think he was using 4 cups. His routine was very engaging, and I could watch him again and again.


Keith:

Watch the 9 minute routine at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTuX_uvm-Qw You will see some interesting snippets from Dai Vernon, Silent Mora and David Williamson.

Penn and Teller did a video a while back in which they showed part of a performance by a fellow who claimed to be a descendant of Luxor Galli Galli, the famous Galli Galli who performed for many years in the US. Of course, Galli Galli did not perform Indian cups. He performed Western cups in an Egyptian outfit. So, the descendant of Luxor Galli Galli also performed Western cups.
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Sherif,
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge of cups and balls - Indian style.

There has been a book written by Lee Siegel, a University of Hawaii professor of religion (and magician) named Net of Magic in which he lives with and travels with Indian magicians.
The book was a very good read and taught me a lot about the culture and history of street magicians in India. I don't believe there has been a lot of English books written on this subject.
Are you familiar with this book? If so, I wonder if you could speak to its credibility.
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I've read the book and, as a semi-novel, it shouldn't be judged on "credibility".

It's a truly excellent read.
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Any book that is based around a discipline should get as much of the factual material as possible straight. Otherwise, the plot and story line will be damaged.

I once read a novel in which they had Adolf Hitler speaking Yiddish. That kinda messed up the whole thing.
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