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Dear Café members,

I just launched my latest website featuring a brand new Rope Magic DVD.

http://www.PowerfulRopeMagic.com

Do provide me with feedback for improvements Smile Cheers!

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Jeremy
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Good stuff man...love the knot jump...very cool!
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Thanks Chris! That is my variation on Daryl's Jumping Knot.

Glad you liked it Smile

Cheers!
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If it cant be examined, its not magic... Its just a puzzle and most laymens assume it uses magnets, and sadly they are right. Magnet allow some extremely visual stuff but laymen aren't stupid. They realise the rope could contain a magnet and they want to see it themselves.

I have tried to do most Pavel gimmicked rope stuff and basic rope routines with magnet gimmick and in real world, where spectators aren't polite, they didn't play too well. There was allways many people in audience that wanted to check the ropes and of course, I coudnt let em... So I dropped em all from my act and developed my own rope routine that can be examined if needed. Just my thoughts...

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Hi J-M,

Thanks a lot for the comments, not all the routines in the DVD are so call "Magnetic" gimmicked. There are routines in there that can be examined. I too feel that it should be examinable, therefore certain routines I only use for stage and parlor performances and usually to music.

Its not really necessary for audience to check everything in a stage performance, its like when you perform multiplying balls, the audience won't request to examine every ball which magically appear.

Speaking of Pavel's Magic, I have been featuring the "Super Walking Knot" in my show for the past 5 years and it is a great routine! Never once has an audience asked to examine the heavily gimmicked rope. Other performers like Cyril, Harry Anderson, Shawn Farquar have made this effect their reputation maker too, now that's a heavily gimmicked rope with a nice price tag Smile

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Good stuff
I think there was a bit more Pavel in there than Daryl, but everything that I could see is in the public domain, so I wish you well my friend.
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I've commented on Jeremy Pei before. I even put a comment on a previous youtube presentation. I didn't think there was comparisons to Pavel. I saw some daryl moves, lots of George Sands, he had one clever PN stretch, and some fibre optics. Overall (not the promo) most of his stage rope presentation was good but nothing original. AND, I don't think there is any right to present this as a rope lesson of a rope compilation.
It would be like a McBride clone teaching manipulation.
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Al Angello, thanks for the support!

Hi Ian,

Thanks a lot for the input and comments, I will improve on those points you mentioned. Just to clarify that I never had an intention of being a clone of any magician to share my ideas neither did I mention in the copy that all the routines are 100% Original. These are actual full routines which I have been using in my Live performances and have been serving me well.
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Jeremy, as I said..I am a fan.
When you put together some of the moves for your linking rope and your flash separation from one rope to three (with one in your mouth), you sold me on your talents. I recently released a rope DVD as well, but I was scrupulously careful not to use any material from other sources.
If you use non-original material as well as yours, you MUST credit those sources either verbally or as a overtitle at the time of the presentation.
When I lecture, I have to lead up to my "moves", I credit George Sands and Garcia if I even turn my hand in a similar manner.
The reason for this is not only to protect the originator, but to protect yourself as well. Now, perhaps you didn't know whose rope moves are whose. This would not necessarily be your fault, due to others who have not credited the work.
Basically, if you didn't come up with it, it isn't always fair game to teach it without credit.
Part of our responsibilty as authors is to keep the chain of originality alive.

Your work, and presentation are smooth, and this is shown in your full performance DVD with rope. After seeing your manipulation act, I was actually discussing your moves with Jeff McBride. Who surprisingly has different ideas about other magi's doing his moves.

Rope men are very observant and care deeply when someone uses a move. The other buyers won't care who did what and will buy your composit work, as you have put together routines in unusual ways.

Good luck on the DVD. As I said, I am a fan.
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Ian
There is a new Pavel DVD demo out that I was refering to.
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Hi Ian,

Thanks for the comments, appreciate it Smile

I do credit all the Masters of rope magic in my DVD like you mentioned, even if I am holding or turning my hands in the same way etc... I do know that proper credits should be given especially in our trade and I would never claim originality for ideas which are not mine. Unless, it is not out anywhere in the market that I can get hold of, which I would need advise from everyone out there.

I was in Vegas back then in 2003 and spent 3 days with McBride in his Master Class, it was really a great honor learning from him flying 20 hours from across the globe...hahaha...

I am a big fan of Pavel's Rope Magic and own many of his gimmick rope sets, however the major problem I have with Pavel's are that his ropes are cotton based and it tends to get dirty easily in the humid Singapore's weather. The ropes I use have a shine nylon feel and yet soft and subtle. They are colored or stripes which helps to hide gimmicks better, at least for my country's context.

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Jeremy
I just PMed you.
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Hey Jeremy,

Looks like a great video.

I just had to comment on the post by korttihai_82 of Finland. I quote: "If it can't be examined, its not magic... " ... What a bizarre thing to write. I don't think there is a single effect in any of my shows that can be examined! I am pretty sure I am doing magic. At least I am under the assumption it's magic. Correct me if I am wrong! You can't examine a Modern Art cabinet, my Origami illusion or even my egg bag ... but I am doing magic. What I can tell you is if your audience is asking to examine everything you are performing ... YOU'RE NOT ENTERTAINING!

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There is, of course, the handout piece which is examinable. So, does this mean that if you can magically switch your prop it is really magic?
I believe that magic is the "suspension of disbelief", and that the true magician can remove the "solution need" or "puzzle mentality" from the spectator.
Or how about the scenario where the large audience "empowers" a spectator to become the "inspector" of the apparatus, therefore satifying the questions and needs to solve the puzzle. Does the Finland comment mean that one should do a performance and throw the props to the audience so as to satify everyone's curiosity that the apparatus is ungimmicked? I would rather do a Bobo switch or some other fake out and go on to the next item.
Bottom line, inspection means you haven't done your magical job, and you have left a suggestion in the mind of the audience that there is something in the prop.
Did Dai Vernon have to show the wand after using it to vanish the coin? Does the chop cup need to do a magnet test? No, the suspicion is misdirected by the patter and use of the prop as secondary or matter of fact.
The sub trunk inspection by spectators can just as easily be inpected by stooges and satisfy the audience. Or a friend can handle all of your rings before you link and unlink them.
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Hey Shawn!

Nice to hear from you again! You must be really busy touring... I missed your Show and Lecture in Taiwan as I was really busy with gigs in Singapore, however I went the next month for their TV show which Danny Cole and Albert Tam went.

With regards to props being examined by audiences, I too feel like it is the Magician's presentation of the magic effect and the handling of the situation to whether allow an apparatus to be examined or not. There are various ways to go around this process as mentioned by Ian Smile

Back to my Rope Routines, not all the routines are done with Gimmick Ropes. I do give various ideas to "hand out the ropes and examine them" for critical audiences, either that some of the routines inside are more suited for a Stage Performer whereby the audience are distant away.
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Jeremy
I saw your banner, and I wish you the best.

Are you sure you don't want me to smuggle you some bubble gum?
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Hahaha.. we can get them across the border in Malaysia... Smile But I still won't take any risk...
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Hi Jeremy,

I love to watch your style of magic as I watched the Taiwan TV program. Jun Yi Dai Goh Dai 2 months ago (where Kyoko is also a guest performer). You candle light routine is very nice!

This is probably the first time I watched your full performance (I livei n UK) and pretty enjoy the way you do the rope routine as a start. The flash seperation is nice and fast©ofollow by professor's nightmare, rope restoration and poping the additional knot off the rope!

Can I ask does your rope DVD cover this rope routine? Although knowing how it works but I still want to learn the proper handling and step.

Thanks
Bob
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Hi Bob,

Thanks a lot for your kind comments.

The Powerful Rope Magic DVD does not cover my Rope Act as per in the variety show. It is however covered in my "The Eternal Ropes" Set. You can check it out at http://www.redefinemagic.com

This DVD feature other visual rope routines as seen on the site. Cheers!

Jeremy
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Well Jeremy, all I m saying is the truth, you deserve such compliment mate!

Ah Eternal Ropes, that's the one! Is it the nylon material type of rope with glossy finish or is it cotton? Like you said cotton might not be as durable after a while! Also what colour does it comes in?

But I do realise that the Powerful Rope Magic DVD covers Impossible Walking Knot and Professor's Remix which are part routine in the Eternal ropes, is it right?

Bob
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