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On 2008-08-03 20:56, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote:
Wow! Way to hijack a thread kids!

You'd all make terrible scientists! You get distracted REAL easy!



I'm guilty as charged, but there have been a lot of scientific discovery made by accident. Smile
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Personal injury lawyers, sleazy used car salesmen, politicians.
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I given this a lot of thought and I would have to say, since con men permeate every profession, the best liars are with out a doubt CON MEN.
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On 2008-07-31 14:11, gaddy wrote:
Clergy.

No doubt in my mind.

They've been lying since day two.

On day one they (collectively) might have actually talked to their god(s) -I'm willing to give 'em the benefit of the doubt... But, ever since then, they've been the most dishonest, deceptive and destructive forces within the human experience.

The most honest ones of the bunch don't even know they are lying, they just repeat and believe the lies they've been told.

In order for it to be a lie one must know that what they are saying is untrue. Therefore, they are either all liars or none are. Having been a member of the clergy I take great umbrage at this comment as I never once lied to a congregation or anybody else.
By universally calling them destructive forces, I assume that you think it was a bad thing when they were fighting against slavery in the US (unfortunately against some of their own colleagues).I take it you also thought (Rev) Martin Luther King was more of a pied piper who got people all worked up, not for an ideal, but to make himself look good?
As to the guys on TV who hold telethons every other month, you'll get no argument there.
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Surprisingly, as a retired clergy person, I would have to agree with Gaddy. I, too, think that clergy are somewhat a dishonest group of folk.
BUT, it is not quite that simple...
Some people simply state what they "believe" whether it is the truth or not.
SO... if a person promulgates the Virgin Birth, is he/she being dishonest if he/she believes it to be true?
If someone "believes" that prayer changes things, is he/she lying when that viewpoint is stated?
If we agree that the clergy is a dishonest bunch, then surely, philosophers would fall into the same category.
I find this to be an intriguing line of thought.
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My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Chessmann,
I understand what you are saying about being over the top with..."they've been the most dishonest, deceptive and destructive forces within the human experience."
But if we take into consideration the widely and wildly diverse beliefs that are held, it seems to me that there might be a bit of wisdom in taking a closer look.
I live within a mile of two churches. One has a woman serving. One has a man serving who says that God does not allow women to speak for "Him."
So many wars fought in the name of God and both sides saying, "God is on our side."
If they are not lying, then they must be at least... confused.

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On 2009-06-18 00:12, Parson Smith wrote:
Chessmann,
I understand what you are saying about being over the top with..."they've been the most dishonest, deceptive and destructive forces within the human experience."
But if we take into consideration the widely and wildly diverse beliefs that are held, it seems to me that there might be a bit of wisdom in taking a closer look.
I live within a mile of two churches. One has a woman serving. One has a man serving who says that God does not allow women to speak for "Him."
So many wars fought in the name of God and both sides saying, "God is on our side."
If they are not lying, then they must be at least... confused.

Parson


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On 2008-07-31 06:17, Lyndel wrote:
Prostitutes & Strippers.


Bad experience? LOL!

Anyway, I think any person in sales. Especially if they're working on commission
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On 2009-06-17 23:49, Parson Smith wrote:
If we agree that the clergy is a dishonest bunch, then surely, philosophers would fall into the same category.


The greatest con man I ever knew personally was a preacher. The greatest con men in all history have been theologians and philosophers.
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Doctors and the AMA are really making great strides in the field of professional dishonesty these days, too.

I suppose you can lump in the big drug companies, too if you really want a slam dunk.
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I don't think politicians can be called the best liars because we are all on to them.

Prostitutes are, I think, quite honest, because one way or another, you come away from them having got what they told you you'd get. Politicians, on the other hand, make no promises to screw you, but do, and we all know they are going to do it.

I would nominate the various models and actresses who promote beauty treatments in infomercials, and who variously fail to mention their long marriage to a plastic surgeon, or promote their line as a viable alternative to the supposedly painful and potentially dangerous botox injections that they themselves get.
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I don't think anybody would dispute politicians as the first choice.
Telephone salesmen are up there on my list (including the ones who do political surveys.)
Lawyers.
Police.
Used car salesmen.
Bodybuilding supplement makers.
Actually, most professions have liars in them. People who hate their jobs will lie to you to get you to leave them alone. They will tell you that you need to go to a different office, or to try their trick to fix your computer and call back.
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How about "alternative medicine" practitioners who sell expensive crap that even they know has no health benefit?
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They're the same ones who make bodybuilding supplements that don't do anything.
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You're not fat.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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Politicians and lawyers are the biggest liars.

I'm a commission only salesman and I don't have to lie about my product, it's the best system in the country and I have the proof.
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Jeff, politicians are the worst liars- as has been said already, it's easy to know when they're lying: their lips are moving. Find a ventriliquist politician, and we might be in trouble.

I once offered to show a product I was testing to someone in the marketing department. They told me they didn't want to see it, or know anything about it beyond their bullet-point sheet, since it might make it tougher for them to sell. (Granted, it was a shoddy product, but...)
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Actually, customers probably lie more than most salespeople do.
"I don't have any money." - "I will think about it and call you back." Etc, Etc.

I agree, politicians would have to be at the top of the list.

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