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Nico Zottos Elite user 486 Posts |
The difference between the trick you speak of and Ron Jaxons trick is that you never shared yours with anyone as you say. Ron Jaxon stated he shared his idea with Jesse and then a few days later someone starts showing him the exact trick he showed Jesse but it was now supposedly Jesse's trick. If you keep an idea secret, some one else along the way will think it up. It's reality. But again, the difference here is that the trick was shown to the person that is now claiming it as his own. Wouldnt it be a little different for you if you had shown the trick you speak of to someone and a week later you THEN see it being advertised by the same person you showed it to. Ironic, right?
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Andi Peters Inner circle 1330 Posts |
Jesse should spend some time in the sin bin with Dan Army.
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Jesse Feinberg Inner circle www.jessesmagic.com 1074 Posts |
Hi Everyone,
Please hear both sides first before you jump into the bash fest. I know its fun and all, but come on guys... Here are a few facts we need to get straight. 1. I have never met Ron Jaxon, talked to him, jammed with him, or traded new ideas with him. He never told me, or showed me this "new" idea. 2. I have never stolen any ideas from anyone. Some anonymous Café members have no problem voicing their anonymous voices. But it's all just hype and nonsense. If using a paddle move, sanada, false wall, or flap card is stealing... then lock me up. 3. I have never purchase/owned Outsmokin'. I saw the demo and then made Cigapen??? Strong accusations, that actually hurts. I invented Cigapen when I was like 14 years old. I was playing around with a hollowed out Cigarette and a bic pen. I will never forget it. Many years later I released it. Cigapen is the first trick I ever put out, its very special to me. Ron NEVER showed me, or told me about this TV deck thing. As I started reading his Café post, I thought I was being accused of stealing his pen trick!? That was the only trick he ever told me about... and that was in a recent, friendly email about crediting him for the Jumpy Pencil. It would have been nice to get an email before he went public with his issues. Now I am stuck here defending myself for no reason. I appreciate all of your support, and understanding. I hope I can clarify and clear my name with the haters. Thanks again guys. -Jesse Jessesmagic@gmail.com |
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
I'd understand if it was just coincidence but after the third coincidence and seeing this one just a few days after I mentioned it. The concept of coincidence is out the window here.
Here's what happened when I found out. I was in a webcam chat room at streetofcards.tv. So I was on cam and I could see Eric and about 4 or 5 other magicians on cam. Eric basically just typed "Check this out" and showed me a trick on cam. I watched it and it was my trick. I told Eric and it was obvious that he had no idea. I mean if he was told about it and knew it was really mine he wouldn't show it to me of all people would he? So he didn't know it was mine. So I told him. He told me it was Jesse's idea. Oh man I was ****ed. Like I said I have quite a few magicians of good reputation to back me up on this because I told them about it, discussed the idea of it, sent them updates on it's progress. Asked them for advice and suggestions. I even sent them images to show them the idea. I have Emails, pictures, video's receipts from the material I used on it to try different materials and electronics (I know that won't prove much but I do have them and they date back about 6 months). There really isn't much more I can say or do. All I want is to be able to finish what I started, master it and when I feel it's worth while perhaps market it. Believe me. I can't stand the feeling of thinking negative against anyone. But I have pride in this one. I put a lot of thought into it. I'd love to be able to just push this entire issue aside and forget about it. But right now I have to stay on the offensive side to protest my investment. So Jesse. You can Email me. I don't hate you. I'm upset about this situation but I don't hate you. If there's some part of this I'm missing then Email me and tell me. Believe me I've made my share of mistakes (Many of them) and even I don't know your side of this situation. All points to you right now but if there's something I'm missing I'm all... ahum..... eyes (little deaf joke). |
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
My last post must have been made at the same time Jess's was made. For it wasn't there before I posted it. I'm going to Email Jesse and talk about this. I'm glad to see both parties are now in touch again.
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Andi Peters Inner circle 1330 Posts |
Hopefully we will now see his one resolved to everyone's satisfaction.
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thehawk Inner circle 2275 Posts |
If you say you talked to Jesse via email, do you have records of the sent email since Jesse said he has never spoken to you. That should be proof of whose telling the truth.
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Irishghost Inner circle www.gaffguy.com 1228 Posts |
Ron, I wanted to stay out of this and let the two of you work this out but I feel I have to say this. I know Jesse and he would not do this, for one he is not that stupid to do it on purpose, and 2 he is really a nice guy and I consider him a friend.
I have 1 question, when did you tell Jesse about the T.V effect? 1 month, 2 months 3 months ago? Also you said you jammed with Jesse but he says you didn't? Just some emails back and forth? I really hope you can prove this Ron because you and others have publically bashed another creator and charged him in open forum with theft. Are you sure you mentioned the t.v effect to Jesse Ron? Jeremy Hanrahan.
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MarkTirone Inner circle palming not 1 coin, but 1139 Posts |
WOW I'm insecure now lol. I always enjoyed watching Jesse's effects on youtube and reading about them. I have been in contact via email dating back 6 months ago or so. I have shared with him MANY of my effects because I trusted him. I guess I should feel the need to put this one right out there now incase some kind of coincidental release transpires.
My effects go like this (and they might not even be mine, I have no intensions on actually releasing them as of now, but I just don't want to see my effects on a label without my name). So the first one goes like this, a pencil cap and a pencil are shown around and the cap is out on the erasor. The Cap is now ripped down the length of the pencil and stopped about half way. You cntinue to shred down the pencil and pll it off the other end and the cap is unharmed even though they saw it. Another one which I am particularly more proud of: A pencil is shown around and examined. With one quick action, the audience SEES and HEARS the pencil snap in half. Each end is shown around and all you do is merely touch the broken ends together and they are perfectly in tact. I am already aware of Jay Sankey's effect "Cut and Restrawed" which he put out on a DVD and in another book I believe some years ago. I think the only way to put this to rest is to see the emails by Ron and Jesse (if you are at liberty of sharing those with us). I think we have all learned our lesson here: Don't share anything with people you don't know |
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Irishghost Inner circle www.gaffguy.com 1228 Posts |
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On 2009-03-07 11:13, MarkTirone wrote: I have seen the emails and I am sure Ron will be in here soon to clear things up. I also do not know why you felt the need to tell people what you are working on. Not saying people here will steal your ideas, but you never know. I would have emailed Jesse with your thoughts and I am sure he would have shown you the proof that you needed to see as he has shown me. I just hope no one moves on your idea man, it sounds like a great effect.
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mayniac Special user 616 Posts |
Oh no. Now Jesse's playing the, "I never met Ron Jaxon" card. Come on Jesse, how original could a paddle trick with a pencil be?
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thehawk Inner circle 2275 Posts |
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On 2009-03-07 11:40, Irishghost wrote: If you have seen the emails then apparently Ron was correct and Jesse's statement about not having contact with Ron is false. |
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Irishghost Inner circle www.gaffguy.com 1228 Posts |
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On 2009-03-07 12:08, thehawk wrote: Try the other way around. I will let Ron explain as I have come to know him as a kind person with well intensions. I just wanted to put a stop to the bashing of Jesse before another one of his so called friends said something they would regret!
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Bernardo Rodriguez Loyal user 233 Posts |
Ok heres what I want to know...
did you actually cam with jesse Ron Jaxon? because he claims he never did and you stated you did but when jesse replied you didn't respond to it really... things will be cleared up more, but I do know that Ron had this idea for a while now... Another thing is jesse said he wasnt gonna release it so are you going to release it Ron? you had project for a while now just thought you would have released it by now... Just a tiny bit confused, Bernardo Rodriguez |
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Irishghost Inner circle www.gaffguy.com 1228 Posts |
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On 2009-03-07 12:12, Irishghost wrote: Just to clear something up. I was referring to the emails that were sent after the claim was made towards Jesse about the T.V effect. Jesse contacted Ron via email and those are the ones I seen. Not the alleged contact emails before . Hope that is clear.
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
Ok, here we go.
I talked to Jesse in Email and I'm glad we got it work out. The first thing I'm going to do is apologies for the fact that I did this on the forum instead of in Email. You are absolutely right that that's what I should have done. The entire thing is a bizarre set of events that happened at the same time and in my mind they where all connected. So let me walk you through the entire set of events. hopefully everyone will understand exactly what happened. Of course you all read about the pencil trick issue in this post. Jesse contacted me. Like I suspected he didn't know about the one that was already out. That didn't surprise me for not many do know about about it. So that issues was easily resolved and it was really no big deal in the first place. Jesse just agreed to mention me and John Rogers. So all is well on that issue. Now in that same Email I did share another idea with him. It was the pen idea I mentioned in this discussion. Now here's an important point that explains where things got mixed up. I had also talked to another magician that day about the TV card trick thing. So the reality so far is I told Jesse about the pen trick and another magician about the TV card trick on that day. Ok, fast forward to the moment Eric showed me the TV card trick during a webcam chat. I of course watched this and told him I had been working on that for some time now. I could tell Eric was surprised. Then he told me that Jesse had told him it was his idea. Here's what I was thinking at that moment. First, I was mad of course to see this. When Jesse's name came up right then all I could think of is that I had just talked to him an shared ideas with him. My mind put all these events together as one event. When it reality I didn't tell Jesse about the TV card thing. I told him about the Pen thing and told another magician about the TV thing. So that's what happened. And I'm now publicly apologizing for mixing those events up and blaming Jesse for that. In my mind they where all the same event that said, "I told Jesse and he then told someone else it was his". By I made a mistake and thought I had told him when I told him about the Pen trick too. So I want to make it clear that I'm now convinced that we both came up with very similar tricks at close to the same time. We talked in Email and the way we both thought of the idea are pretty similar. Who knows. Maybe we'll pout our heads together and work on that trick. It's very Bizarre that we both came up with such an unusual idea at the same time, we had contact for the first time (I think we may have exchanged PM"s or Emails once or twice in the past a couple of years ago), W had a small issue an worked it out, then I see someone do that trick right after that and your name comes up. All of this happened with in a couple of days is such a strange coincidence and in my initial anger of seeing the trick done it all got jumbled together. But I say again. I'm sorry for the Mix up Jesse. I hope you understand how it happened and I'm sorry for any pain it caused. If you get anyone else questioning you about it feel free to send them to me and I'll clarify it for them too. Ron Jaxon |
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Andi Peters Inner circle 1330 Posts |
Ron, you're an upstanding member of these boards and the fact you came here and said what you did merely reinforces that.
Also, to Jesse. I take back what I said about sitting in the sin bin with Dan Army. He can remain there alone for the time being. |
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Irishghost Inner circle www.gaffguy.com 1228 Posts |
Well said Ron! Could you imagine what the T.V effect would look like if the both of you worked on it? 2 creative guys with one idea, that would be amazing!!!
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Well, Ron or Jesse haven't credited me with anything. Kind of strange considering the conversation here.
Background: In 1985 I thought, to myself, "it would be cool to do something with a pencil or pen or something". I then ordered another beer and never thought about it again. And then years later they come out with their effects? Connect the dots folks.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Jaxon Inner circle Kalamazoo, Mi. 2537 Posts |
Ok Christopher. Here's the credit you deserve. I stole your beer right before I came up with the pencil trick. Thank you. I doubt I would have thought of it without that influence.
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