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I am glad you understand. Some people just don't get it.
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In most cases I whould say it is all ways best to say sorry than ask for permission. Not all ways read the streets well then decide. Asking for permission can close the door to a whole season of work. Many places in Spain for example you need a liceince but their is none to be had. Better to work it and in a some cases they will just leave you alone, that is some parts of Spain mind. The same as the UK small towns well just work it.
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I can already tell, Mario, you must be a professional. Thanks man.
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Is it really OK to have them put bills in a change bag without telling them beforehand that you are taking the bills? That's pretty aggressive, but if you can get away with it - go for it!
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`Busking'; lots of folks think the word is derived from the Spanish, `buscar'; "those looking for a place." A sidewalk, a street corner, a park,... Max Malini busked the bars! Unexpected entertainment, in unexpected places,... for expected, non-specific rewards. That's Busking.

Mike, keep on... there's more venues,... there's more `tricks'(i hate that word.), then the most can imagine. Keep finding your own spots, your own effects,.. your own way.

,... next Saturday, you'll probably have to fight with three other `buskers', who've read this Post, for a place to play in the Park!

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Thanks Gallagher. Last weekend was my first time without any paid shows in a long time. So I decided to put time in the park to experiment.

Gallagher, I like your ideas. Have you ever thought about putting a DVD together on Street Busking?

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Robert, to me that is wrong. If I put myself in their shoes, I would not look at it as entertainment. My name would be going around worst than a 3 Card Monte person. I bet less people would put their money in anyway. I'm sure people are going to be asking me question like "What is going to happen to it?" "Am I going to get it back?"

Posted: Aug 4, 2008 2:41pm
Robert, I was probably looking at using the Change Bag the wrong way. Above I was picturing just telling everyone to put their money in the bag. Next, their money disappears. Lastly, I walk away. I just put few pieces together so it could be possitive:

As I am asking for the tips, they go inside the Change Bag. Next, show everyone what the money turned into: http://www.elmwoodmagic.com/full/Magic-T......5889.htm Now that would be a good idea. I misunderstood at first.
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There is plenty of room for anyone who performs without being paid up-front here in the "sidewalk shuffle".

Let's not get too hung up on semantics and end up arguing like they do in the "Penny..." forum.

Frankly, I think Mike's got an interesting idea and is exploring a niche that hasn't been exploited too much in the past.
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On 2008-08-04 03:25, gaddy wrote:
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On 2008-08-04 02:39, Purist wrote:
If your going to get them to all hold out dollars in the air as they think its a trick why not make it a trick?

change bag?

lots of little cheap sweets etc?

easy


Not a bad idea at all... Especially while busking and trying to hat parties in the park! I see this as taking some of the heat off the "Pay Me" part of the show. Seems like a pretty brutal crowd to play to.

Gaddy, now I see what Purist is talking about. It does seem like a good idea.

I like your new avatar.
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Dynamike, are you asking for advice or stroking? There are holes in your approach and attitude which you could take the opportunity to learn from yet you reject out of hand pretty much anything that doesn't meet what ever exist in your mind. I'm also rather confused by what real experience you have. I recall photos of you with assistants and costumes yet you ask questions common among those first starting to perform. That is fine, questions are great, but the implication is you are a long time pro acting like a wanna be. I'm not going to bother answering the initial post because I don't think you really want the answers. Good luck.
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Ah, thank you Santa. You said it so nice. Smile
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Do what works for you Dynamike and take all the advice with a grain of salt. After all , it's an artificial enviroment of geeks,you and I included.

Me, I am happy for you. You found somwhere to work where there was none and entertained and made what sounds like decent hats.
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Thank you for the encouragement Manal. Yes, I will keep it up.
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"It's better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission" Is a gambit developed by engineers to deal with certain types of corporate managers. Its hard to argue with invention.

Will it work with busking? If it was me, I would ask for permission. Put yourself in the parties shoes, If YOU were having a family reunion would you like somebody just showing up and setting up shop?

Regardless, I would advise you to approach with sensitivity.

Good Luck and may your hat always be full.
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Call it whatever you want. Don't let someone like Paddy or myself who have actually performed in street atmospheres stop ya.

Robert


Have you worked the street? Where? Albuquerque?
If you call that the street then I see the object of your confusion.

DynaMike is working City parks in Detroit. To my unsophisticated mind, that is infinitely more "Street" than anything Central Ave. or Old Town (which I have worked btw) have to offer.
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Will it work with busking? If it was me, I would ask for permission. Put yourself in the parties shoes, If YOU were having a family reunion would you like somebody just showing up and setting up shop?

Regardless, I would advise you to approach with sensitivity.

I was putting pieces together. The answer I came out with is "It depends." If the family reunion was laid back with no entertainment in a low income area, I would feel confident they would not mind me stopping by without asking permission. But if the reunion already seem to have hired entertainment services (DJ, inflatables, Pony Rides, popcorn machines, etc.) I will not try and perform there with or without permission. If I did I can understand someone will be willing to call the police behind my back.

In the areas I would feel comfortable performing, the conclusion all depends on the attitude. Some parties will go with the flow. Some people will have a bad attitude about it. But if the magician has the right attitude, he will be able to disfuss the person with the bad attitude. The attitude is what counts.

Last Saturday at the park parties, I did not make much. That did not hurt me. I was doing it for fun to see what it would feel like before I get to the streets. I wanted to try experimenting with the timing, order, patter, closing and applause of my performance. It gave me a headstart with my performance on Sunday at the festival.

The only reason I would approach a park again is to try experimenting something new. For example I still do not have a portable PA yet. When I purchase one I will approach a park again to see how it plays to the audience.
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In my area, you can obtain a permit for parties, family reunion picnics, etc., in certain parks. This entitles you to your own area with picnic tables, fire pits, etc. You supply the food, etc. I have had a few family reunions (I have a huge family), which did not include any bouncy castles or other forms of entertainment. If a "busker" (and I use the term very loosely here) tried to intrude on our picnic, I would immediately ask the authorities to have him removed. I would consider him a potential danger. What would you consider a stranger who crashes your private function and tries to draw a crowd of children with magic tricks and balloon animals? "Pedophile" leaps immediately to my mind.

My brother has helped run his annual block party. He obtains contributions from the neighbors and purchases a permit from the city that allows the block to close the street for the day and run their party. In this case, they do hire entertainment -- inflatables, bands, magicians, jugglers, pony rides, etc. Uninvited vendors and buskers are not welcome at these block parties either -- they introduce an intrusive element into what is essentially a private event.

You can include me in the "bad idea" group. I love to see buskers performing in public spaces, but this proposal to crash what I feel is a private event is just creepy.
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On 2008-08-05 01:54, Eric Evans wrote:
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Call it whatever you want. Don't let someone like Paddy or myself who have actually performed in street atmospheres stop ya.

Robert

...To my unsophisticated mind...

Well hey, you said it, not me.
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I still like from what I learned from working in a park. It took me up a big step ahead. That is a good way to practice for those who are really nervous of performing in the streets right away. It is a good way to learn how improvement is needed. I would advise a amateur busker to start off that way so he will be ready to "make, not break" from earning big bucks on the street. It gives a big head start because the park crowd is more smaller and personal. It helps relaxes and assures a person before trying for the festivals.

Start the flaming...
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I would feel better asking permission. That way you don't look like you're intruding on their function. Maybe make it clear that any reimbursement is on a strictly voluntary basis. (I notice in the second case, the woman had to come up and TELL you that they didn't have money to pay you with. That should have been brought up first thing to ease their minds.)

But Ed, I am not 52 yet: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/searc......=5242065 Smile

I agree with Dave, Gabby and Jimmy: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=6

Jimmy explains it all:
http://jimmytalksalot.blogspot.com/2007/......han.html

Well, I am and I was raised not to butt into someone else's function without permission, even if it is being held in a park.

Of course, Jimmy knows far better than me. But I wouldn't be comfortable with it.
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