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Again, back to the other point I was making, most people don't know what ESP symbols are in the first place. It might not gain suspicion but it is quite a curiosity. In other words, they don't know what ESP symbols are and they sure as heck are in the dark as to what a ESP cube even is.

Bob Cassidy made a point about ESP symbols and how to introduce them. He has said that the only real logical explanation/introduction of the symbols is to tell your audience that these were created and used in the 1930's as the methods have mostly changed for testing ESP in modern days. If you take that idea, you can more or less use practically anything and explain to your audience that it's a ESP testing method (including the colour cube as well as the oversized casino die).

As magician's and mentalists, we are so use to ESP symbols that we often times don't acknowledge that most lay people do not have a clue as to what ESP symbols are and what the designs are. Look at the Symbology deck, our audience takes our word for it to being a standard ESP testing deck even though we know quite well that there's only 5 symbols that Dr. Rhines devised.

A prop is a prop and as long as the prop in question isn't outlandish and we can find a plausible reasoning for our audience to justify it's use, it really doesn't matter what the prop is.
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On 2009-05-05 02:06, craig filicetti wrote:
Ive got it, I was thinking of:

shuffle board
dodge ball
lawn darts
tether ball
synchronized swimming
and tiddly winks

synchronized swimming may be too hard to fit on one side of a 1" die, maybe pool ballet would work



:D Craig, I was thinking Beach Volleyball instead of tiddly winks. Do you think you could take it one step further... if you tip the swimming side, water could pour out - and the beach volleyball side could have sand pour out.
That would amaze me, and somehow I think you'd find a way!
I'll contact you on the sports cube. Thanks
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A prop is a prop and as long as the prop in question isn't outlandish and we can find a plausible reasoning for our audience to justify it's use, it really doesn't matter what the prop is.


I had the same argument or, should I say discussion on another thread sometime ago.
I believe the trick being discussed was "WOW". My point was that the Okito coin box has been around for a long time and I used it many times years ago. Its still a great utility device, its definitely a prop and something that no one has ever seen before. But yet it has a great success rate if introduced in the proper manner and you let the spectator examine it. Props have and always will be an integral part of magic. Its simply up to the magician to use his or her skills, mentality and inventiveness to justify the use of one when its called for.

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In the case of Wow!, I've owned one for a good long while when it first came out and sold out everywhere. You can justify why you have it but the problem with the Wow! gimmick is that after you perform the visual colour change, the first thing that goes in their mind is that they want to examine the gimmick. I had to routine it so that all the Wow! did was facilitate the colour change but there was a kicker ending after that used to draw attention away from the colour change. It's a double edged sword, great routine, people loved the routine especially the ending but I really could have used any other colour change instead of the Wow! plus the Wow! change wasn't the highlight of the effect anymore. While taking all the heat away from the Wow! gimmick it also made it kind of a wasted $60-$70 gimmick at the same time.
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Not trying to get off the thread here but, I have a routine where I use a Himber wallet and an un-gimmicked WOW and a very good justification for using it. At the end it can be examined but most don't even bother to ask. As for a color change you totally lost me! Are you sure we are talking about the same thing? WOW is not a color changing effect.

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Yup, same gimmick. I had it WAY before they ever put out a non-working Wow to swap it in for. Wow is essentially a colour change but facilitated by the Wow gimmick. If a face of a card changes to the face of another card, that's a colour change ;D Same if the back colour changed. Point is in the end, to get the impact of the colour change, you may have as well just used sleight of hand to accomplish the effect/change as this is truly one of those situations where to the spectator, it really looks no different.

Back to MD now, I totally love mines. So well put together and works beautifully.
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I had the same argument or, should I say discussion on another thread sometime ago.
I believe the trick being discussed was "WOW". My point was that the Okito coin box has been around for a long time and I used it many times years ago. Its still a great utility device, its definitely a prop and something that no one has ever seen before. But yet it has a great success rate if introduced in the proper manner and you let the spectator examine it. Props have and always will be an integral part of magic. Its simply up to the magician to use his or her skills, mentality and inventiveness to justify the use of one when its called for.

~Phil


Phil,
I couldn't agree with you more. Props are part of our business, and with the right routine - it's magic. My only point was that the color cube looked less like a prop than the other two. We've all used an okito box, with no suspicion, but if an altoids tin worked - I'd use it as people are familiar with it. I have found that people relate to the color cube as a common everyday toy. Hey, I also love using the ESP cube, just have my preference. If Craig could make a die cube the actual size of of an ordinary die - we're set. What about it Craig?
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Could be done. A real casino die is just 1/4 of an inch smaller than Craigs 1' die Smile He just needs a little time to shrink his boards down a tad. This is what R&D is for.
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I really can't see Craig doing that nor for that matter, any need to.
I think some are being way too over analytical of the MD die. No matter how you twist it it will still leave a spectator dumbfounded. JMHO

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Gaffed, I think you meant however one would spin it Smile In this case I guess how one would roll it could apply as well. Ha ha.
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"WOW!" is not the same as a standard color change to a lay audience. The change happens as the card visually morphs into another card. If you're not using it this way, then you're missing the point.

Back to Multi Dimensional... after spending a lot of $$ on the deluxe set and back-ups, I still wonder if it's possible to make an authentic looking WHITE die with rounded corners?

Robert
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PMd you on my thoughts Robert.
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OK, now we're getting into another "dimension" here as for a die.
The die that most people are familiar with are smaller, white, and rounded at the corners. Then we have those that want it to look like a "casino" die which is somewhat larger, has no rounded edges and oh, by the way, is somewhat transparent!

Come on people, give it a break and give credit to Craig for what he has and stop being so picky! It works and looks just fine the way it is. Craig has supplied us here what I consider to be a miracle in the whole grand scheme of things and now we have those splitting hairs! Give it, Craig, a break! What he has offered and is working on is tremendous as is. Stop thinking as a magician and think as a spectator. It works! If it ain't broken.....don't fix it.

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I agree with gaffed. Multi-Dimensional is pretty much perfect as it is. If the die really bothers you, use the color cube because I don't think anyone can come up with a detail that makes it look out of the ordinary. It reminds me of when I had a brick and mortar shop and I had a beautiful set of Owen Multiplying Billiard Balls in the case. A magician walks in, looks at them awhile and then says, "..do you have a different shade of red?" And, people wonder why I closed the doors!
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I allways say that Magicians (me included), - are very anal!
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On 2009-05-08 03:46, DR STEVE HOSKINS wrote:
I allways say that Magicians (me included), - are very anal!


I have to agree. Magicians can be overly analytical - myself included. MD is probably the most "perfect" mental effect I've ever purchased. I love the ESP and Color Cubes, but I have stayed away from using the die because I felt it didn't look like a normal die.

Robert
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Robert, just curious, which do you prefer between the color cube and the ESP cube?
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On 2009-05-08 10:14, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Robert, just curious, which do you prefer between the color cube and the ESP cube?


I like them both, but as I posted earlier, I mainly use the ESP cube.

Robert
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I was giving some thought as to those that would like a smaller regular white die.
I imagine that the component could possibly be made smaller but that would then leave the issue of a seam on one side where the battery must be placed in. Now that seems to me that it would then stick out like the proverbial sore thumb as I don’t see how it could possibly be hidden. Then again, knowing Craig’s ingenuity it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he somehow managed it although I have no idea how it could be accomplished.

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Or just use a smaller sized battery. Maybe a double stack of a smaller battery. His Impossible Insight tags are RIDICULOUSLY tiny even with the battery.
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