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And talking of clothing, whether you perform dressed in everyday clothes or "in character" clothing, I reckon it's generally a good idea to continue to wear that clothing the while you are around the performing area - walking around, eating out. It makes a good connection with spectators and casual shoppers who have seen you working on the street earlier. I'm quite ameniable, after the show, to sit with such folk and be known as the Magic Man and have these people tell their accompanying friends about my performance. Or to talk magic in general [but Keep The Secrets}.
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On 2009-04-01 05:36, MagiCol wrote:
I reckon it's generally a good idea to continue to wear that clothing the while you are around the performing area - walking around, eating out. It makes a good connection with spectators and casual shoppers who have seen you working on the street earlier.


It would have helped if he had done that BEFORE he started performing. Mike keeps wanting to defend his outfit, but there is a much larger issue he doesn't understand. That you must "belong" at your pitch.

Mike was a stranger ... he was dressed funny, drawing crowds of people, and hitting them up for money in an area where that behavior is not considered acceptable. The cops have walked that beat everyday for years, and when they saw him they said "he doesn't belong here".

That is why I told him to dress down, do short shows for small crowds, and don't pass the hat ... the cops would not have chased him away. He could have then gone back. In time, he would be a fixture in the area, everyone would know him, and he could get away with loud outfits, huge crowds, and fat hats.

If you have a permit for a sanctioned festival, it doesn't matter. People in New Orleans are used to street performers ... he wasn't in New Orleans, he was in Detroit. An area like Detroit will take an investment of your time to break in properly, read the ordinance - you can't just make a quick buck there. That's not what they want. You need to "belong" in the area to get away with busking there.

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I'm a fan of dressing up and fully playing the part...You should be able to dress anyway you want and the cops and other buskers can blow off Smile
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I agree with you Zoobini. But you know how those sissies are, scared of the police. haha. Those people have no idea what "control" means. At least that's them and not us.


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On 2009-03-31 09:41, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote:
I quite like the suit! It's got a kind of sleazy charm to it.

Thanks, Nicholas. That is why I wear suits like that. I can easily see you are not one of the jealous ones.
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On 2009-04-02 08:53, Dynamike wrote:
I agree with you Zoobini. But you know how those sissies are, scared of the police. haha. Those people have no idea what "control" means. At least that's them and not us.


You didn't act all brave and stand up to them when they told you to go home. You caved in like a sissy and went home.

Face reality, the cops are the ones that get to decide if you get to busk or not. I suggest you just stick to sanctioned street festivals, you don't get it.

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Can I ask a polite question here.... Dynamike, whenever anyone disagrees with you you define them as "jealous"... what are they supposed to jealous of exactly?

just wondering

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On 2009-04-02 08:53, Dynamike wrote:
I agree with you Zoobini. But you know how those sissies are, scared of the police. haha. Those people have no idea what "control" means. At least that's them and not us.


I'm not scared of the police, I'm scared of what they can do to me at a moment's notice for virtually any reason they want, with no recourse outside a bail bond card and a phone call... But by that time it's too late, my day is over (possibly with an overnight stay to boot...)

Whenever I even SEE the police look my direction, I put myself into a "I-Need-To-Be-Ready-To-Be-Gone-In-45-Seconds" mode...
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Dynamike

The things I have learnt from your knowledge and insight into busking are a wonder to me. Every snippet, every utterence of your understanding reflects that you truely are a giant when it comes to street work, after such a short time as well.......

Joe Joe, I would advise you to keep your years of meaningless knowledge to yourself, jealousy, sir, pure jealousy!!!
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Joe Joe, I would advise you to keep your years of meaningless knowledge to yourself


No.

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On 2009-04-02 13:46, tom hughes wrote:
Can I ask a polite question here.... Dynamike, whenever anyone disagrees with you you define them as "jealous"... what are they supposed to jealous of exactly?

just wondering

tom

Good question, Tom. No I do not call everyone jealous just because they do not agree with me. If you will look more into the thread you will notice Joe gave a suggestion. I do not agree with what he mentioned. If he took it in an average manner he would have dropped the comments. But he continues demanding what I wear is wrong as if he is hurt/jealous with what I wear. It has nothing to do with him. He is even changing the words around with how I describe what happened. It proves he is feeling some type of pain because of what I wear.

There are a few others members who also agreed with what I wear. They are not coming back trying to attack me like Joe is because it does not hurt them.

If I gave someone a suggestion about something, and they did not take my advice, no problem. I would not repeat coming back because it would not hurt me.

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I agree with you Zoobini. But you know how those sissies are, scared of the police. haha. Those people have no idea what "control" means. At least that's them and not us.

I'm not scared of the police, I'm scared of what they can do to me at a moment's notice for virtually any reason they want, with no recourse outside a bail bond card and a phone call... But by that time it's too late, my day is over (possibly with an overnight stay to boot...)

Whenever I even SEE the police look my direction, I put myself into a "I-Need-To-Be-Ready-To-Be-Gone-In-45-Seconds" mode...

I agree with you 100%, Gaddy. I see it the same exact way. Joe is the one who brought up how I would be arrested for what I am wear. I do not believe him. That is why I am going to continue wearing my same type of outfits.
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On 2009-04-02 20:35, mslj wrote:
Joe Joe, I would advise you to keep your years of meaningless knowledge to yourself

No.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

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Thank you for your comments, Mslj. Joe is beating a dead horse.
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#1 I never attacked you, in fact in my very first post I said that it took a lot of guts and that you should be proud.

#2 My advice to you has been consistent from my very first post, and is about a lot more than just what you were wearing - you are the one fixated on your attire, not I:

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When you show up dressed funny lugging tables and what not, people don't know how to react to you - you freak them out. First time out, you should work from your pockets and build small shows. Don't even hat the audience, your goal is to break in a new pitch not make a lot of money. Don't rinse and repeat, do a show and go home. The cops would have smiled and after a few times out they would have been used to you and not been freaked out.


#3 I don't care what you wear. You can wear whatever you want, the important thing is that you should "belong" in the environment you are working. Those cops saw you and said "he doesn't belong here". I was only trying to be helpful by being honest with you and not just acting like a "yes man" - only a fool surrounds themselves with "yes men".

#4 I'm still waiting for you to answer Tom's question ... what exactly are we jealous of?? What, I'm jealous of your suit? I could buy one of those if I wanted - I have a paying gig.



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Whatever. Smile

I do not believe a word you said, dude. I am not going to waste my time with you. You are just hurting yourself. Get a life. Smile
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Ah yes Mikey, after 11,000 posts and no experience we all know your depth of knowledge.

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What you really like is trying to get on other people nerves because they are better than you are. Well you know what?, I don't care because your baby sentences do not hurt me.
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I will tell you what has worked for me. Listening to people who have over 20 years experience. The very first time I tried to busk I made $10 the last day I hit the pavement I made $336 By applying other peoples experience with what you already do it will pay you a lot of money. Mike I have seen you perform you have a very unique aproach and a entertaining demeaner. No one else performs like you, you are truly an original. Unless you are willing to be humble and learn and apply there knowlege to what you already do. the streets are not for you and neither is busking. Mike you could be great. the coice is yours
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Ah the joys of misunderstood English wit and sarcasm

Let me clarify what I was reaslly meaning...

Joe Joe - years of experience of the street
Dynamike - very little experience of the street but feels he has alot

mslj - "The things I have learnt from your knowledge and insight into busking are a wonder to me. Every snippet, every utterence of your understanding reflects that you truely are a giant when it comes to street work, after such a short time as well......."

Translating from English to American English "Dynamike, sssshhhhhh just listen without your need to make noise.

Any clearer?
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On 2009-04-03 08:12, mslj wrote:
Any clearer?


Yes, but I'm still glad I posted all of this. I have received messages from people that have tried my approach and thanking me for the advise because it works. I think the phrase "don't go in with your guns blazing" is a good way to sum it up.

This is actually a nice thread with a lot of meat from a lot of people.

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On 2009-04-03 08:02, rayraysleights wrote:
I will tell you what has worked for me. Listening to people who have over 20 years experience. The very first time I tried to busk I made $10 the last day I hit the pavement I made $336 By applying other peoples experience with what you already do it will pay you a lot of money.

You have a strong point I agree with you on. I started performing magic 33 years ago. Most of my years I had no mentor. I was blessed for being gifted with the talent.

Don't get me wrong. I am still willing to take tips from others no matter how much experience I have. That is why I have been opening threads asking questions. Everyone's answer is not the same. I rather listen to those that fits me. Most people in this thread mentioned they like my suit. Only the ones with criticism remarks told me not to wear my suit. It gives me an easy choice with who I should listen to. Those who criticized me in this thread had no ideas for me in any other thread. Those who complimented me in this thread given many several other tips in other threads. That makes it easy for to chose the ones I should listen to.

I have been to Kozmo's and Chris Capehart's lecture. I like their style of dress. It blends in with my style, don't look average and ordinary.

Danny Hustle knows what level I am on. He mentioned good comments about me in a different thread because he understands I already have the experience with performing.

I am keep going to listen to others who have the most years of experience (with teaching). Danny Hustle, Kozmo, Cellini, Chris Capehart, etc.

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Mike I have seen you perform you have a very unique aproach and a entertaining demeaner. No one else performs like you, you are truly an original. Unless you are willing to be humble and learn and apply there knowlege to what you already do. the streets are not for you and neither is busking. Mike you could be great. the coice is yours

It is all about creativity. No one should copy others. There are several ways of doing it. I tried my methods and my crowds are happier than I am with my way of style.

Performing magic used to be about wearing gloves, a top hat and a cape. Now that is way gone. Whoever broke the former tradition wanted to be himself and apply something different.
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You can go way back in the pages here in this forum and see when they first started busking...may surprise some
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