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Mylamber
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Guys,
I looked through the forums trying to find the right topic to put this under and decided to stick it in grand illusions simply becuase it's David Copperfield, if this needs to go under a different topic please move it!

Do you guys remember David Copperfield's vanishing Bandana trick he performed during the "walk through the great wall of china" special? I saw it when I was a kid and naturally it was one of the things that inspired me to want to be a magician.

I'm wanting to perform this trick and I am looking for the "handbag" that he used. I was wondering if it was custom made or if I could buy something similar to it online? I'm basically wanting to "borrow" an item from the audience and make the banana disappear in it. Any suggestions or ideas would be extremely helpful!

I know the vanishing bandana trick, I have a version of it. But I'm in the process of recording my own voiceover for the Mr. Rogers voice and I need info on how to obtain/make or have someone make that type of handbag, where it opens up to reveal whats inside it.

Thanks for any help guys!
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The handbag was a custom prop for David's routine.
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Wasn't it similar to the one used in the old mutilated parasol routine??

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It is similar to the one used in the mutilated parasol. Abbott's still makes it this way and very well might sell the bag individually.
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It was actually patterned after a purse that was being sold via infomercial at the time. Hence the line "Did you get this off of TV?".

I've always felt that the routine played much better with the old audience member in peril gambit and have thought about building a gimmicked baseball cap to use in the routine in place of the purse. I also never lied the idea of putting a Bandanna into a handkerchief to accomplish the vanish as I thought it was logically inconsistent.
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A thread you might be interested in, although it doesn't discuss about where to purchase the handbag specifically (that's discussed above):

Cafe thread titled... Copperfield perfor......bandanna

Did I understand you correctly, to say that you are going to perform this with the Mr. Rogers voiceover, which you will make yourself? So you are going to do Copperfield's exact routine?

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If you are going to copy Copperfield's exact routine, then you'd better get permission from him. The one part of that he can actually copyright is the script.
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I wonder if David Copperfield got permission from Tom Ogden at the time...

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Excellent, thanks guys!

To answer Donald and Bill's question... I will get in touch with DC's people to see if I can use the exact wording that's used from the Mr. Roger's recording. If not, I'll just change it up.


Thanks again!
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This certainly is nothing personal at all and is not meant as an attack by any means. I just do nto see why anyone would want to or feel the need to copy another perfomers full routine patter and music included? Would it not make you a better and more unique performer to take a step away from what has been done before to create something unique to yourself?

I just see so many magicians looking inward at magic for their creative ideas instead of looking outward at nonmagical things to create something unique that fits who they are on stage. Now you can be influenced by someone like David. That is certainly fine as it helps spark the initial interest. The problem lies in someone being TOO influenced by what they see another magician doing. At some point you need to take a step away from it and explore new avenues of your own creativity.

Each and every one of us has the amazing ability to be as creative as we want to be. The problem is that we shy away from it because we have not trained ourselves and our mind in the creative process. If you want to get more fit and be well, then you exercise. The same can be said with creativity in magic. If you want to get better at it, you simply must exercise your creativity more often. You will be amazed at what you can create and your audiences will thank you for it.

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Kyle you assume too much, not everyone is creative .. some have it and some simply don't.

Its much easier lifting someone else's routine, it's tried and true .. not much effort is involved. that's exactly why so many performers do just that.

Here is a question, when is the last time you head of "David" granting permission for someone to use one of his routines??

Ah .. never??

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I don't understand anyone wanting to copy a whole routine including patter but I've seen it more times than I have ever seen some new creative patter and presentation, that's for sure.

Chezaday, there is no way "David's people" are going to grant any kind of permission for this, that's a sure bet.

I also agree some people are just not creative, but I think a lot of it is just pure laziness. Why bother working hard on patter or presentation when you can just borrow someone elses? Horray for canned magic.

Here we have someone talking about copying someone's script, music and voice over
for the trick, and copying the props as well. AND going to a public forum asking people to help him do this copying. That sure dosn't leave much room for his own creativity, does it?

Can someone please help me copy David Copperfield's vanishing the statue of liberty illusion? Don't worry I'm contacting David's people to ask for permission.

If they say no, I'll change it up.

:)

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Here's my take on it...

ALL of us have been inspired by another magician over the years. When I was growing up, it was Doug Henning and David Copperfield. Don't you think that my show has a little bit of both those hero's. Do you think that my performance style, while my own, was influenced by both of those people?

Most of the music I use in my act is "original" music that I have done just for me! I walk into Nick Alexander Productions (www.nickalexanderproductions.com for anyone wanting great voiceover work and original compositions), perform the routine in whole and he arranges music around the routine.

HOWEVER...there are still charts that I use that have been used by David Copperfield. Does that mean that I'm unoriginal? NO! It doesn't. I like the music. Most of the music he used in his shows came from the 80s which is the best decade for great music that ever was (IMO). I enjoy that music so I use it in my show.

I think that if you look deep inside your self, you will find your magic hero in there and will see small to large influences of that person(s) in your own act.
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On 2008-08-05 08:26, Mylamber wrote:
I will get in touch with DC's people to see if I can use the exact wording that's used from the Mr. Roger's recording.


And when your phone doesn't ring, that will be them.
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I'm wondering, would someone so obtuse even KNOW who David's people are, or how to get in touch with them?
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On 2008-08-04 17:44, Payne wrote:
I've always felt that the routine played much better with the old audience member in peril gambit ...


I agree, using a lady's purse made the trick much better ... but it's awkward, difficult, and sometimes (as in the case of intimate groups who all know each other) for the average magician to be able to a plant in every show.

Still, the trick is powerful and I don't think the average audience member thinks about the "logical" aspect of it. It's funny and a banana vanishes. You think too much like a magician, Payne.
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LOL This whole thread is a hoot! I love this effect and Davids use of a staged purse is the genius that makes it work. Its those kinds of touches that make his magic memorable and unique.

Copying it may make you memorable to your audience. As I am sure that most people in it, will have no clue that you stole it from David.

I have personally witnessed people asking 'Davids People', for permission to use his older routines. All have been met with the answer of 'you can do whatever you want, but ask yourself why you want to copy his routine? Do you like to think of yourself as a copycat? Wouldn't you rather put your time into practicing a routine that you created and others want to copy?'

I have wanted to do the 'Dancing Ties' routine for a long time. Its a great illusion! I have been wanting to do this in my show ever since I saw him do it live back in the 80's. I could easily copy his routine verbatim, with the same song (Angelina, Angelina!) and the exact same stage movements, but I haven't. Its been over 10 years and I still don't do the routine.

One day I will, but it will not be until I find my hook. Put my own spin on it. Maybe that day will come, maybe it won't. The one thing I can't do is make myself fit into his routine. I have to fit the routine to me.

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Not everyone IS creative.. BUT everyone can LEARN to be creative. Every single person has the ability to be as creative as they want to be. That in lies the big difference. The biggest reason why people are not creative is not because they can't ever be.. it is because of one single word..... LAZINESS. Being creative does take work. If you want to be fit ...you exercise.. if you want to be creative you must exercise your creativity as well.

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Were those "DC's people" that took out a full page ad in MAGIC Magazine in 1997, crying foul over the ads that paired commercially available snow machines with the Snowstorm trick?
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I thought of something while laughing at the abusrd idea of DC actually granting someone persmission to use his routine. Now, I'm ALL for creativity. I'll be the very first one to admit that I really don't invent most of my magic. I do however put a lot of work into orignal scripts, presentations and routining. I was thinking about why so many magicians preach BE ORIGINAL. Think of all the times you've heard a cover band play Jumpin Jack Flash as close to the original as possible? Same guitar solo, same strut by the lead singer everything. And people love it. They love to sing along. I've played in bands where we did our own arrangement of a well-known tune and have people tell us we "ruined" a classic. Now, I know that The Vanishing Bandanna is not as popular as a classic Stones song, but do you see my point? If someone had seen it one TV and loved it, wouldn't they like it performed the exact same way? Same performance, same lines, same music, everything.

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