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Thanks Pepka!

that's exactly how I feel. Guys I'm all about creativity, I do tons of tricks with my own patter and scripts. I LOVE being creative with magic!! Like Pepka was saying, it's like a band playing a classic toon from 80's. I'm a magician performing a classic illusion from the 80's. When someone asks me where I came up with a particular idea, I always give credit where its due. I never try to claim it as my own if it's someone elses.

And once again, thank you all for helping me out with the handbag/purse ideas!

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Nick

(oh, and about contacting DC's people, I was just going to go to the website and email/contact them.)
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Pepka: You cannot compare magic to music. When people like a song they can hear it over and over but magic is like jokes they depend on punchlines. If somebody has heard a joke before they don't want to hear it again. Same thing happens with magic.

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On 2008-08-05 07:44, David Goldrake wrote:
I wonder if David Copperfield got permission from Tom Ogden at the time...

Regards,

D


It's not Tom Ogden's routine. It's Tom Yarborough's. David got permission from Yarborough for this.

There is a thread about this elsewhere. Yarborough debuted it at the PCAM convention in the late 1950's or early 1960's.
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On 2008-08-05 08:26, Mylamber wrote:
Excellent, thanks guys!

To answer Donald and Bill's question... I will get in touch with DC's people to see if I can use the exact wording that's used from the Mr. Roger's recording. If not, I'll just change it up.


Thanks again!
Nick


Why?

When Vernon did his $1000 lecture tour, I drove up to Arlington TX to see it. It was a life-changing experience for me. One of the things he said that hit me really hard was this: "Don't try to be Doug Henning or Mark Wilson (DC was barely known at the time). You will never be as good at being Doug Henning or Mark Wilson as they are. But THEY will never be as good at being YOU as YOU will. Be natural. Be yourself."

At the time, we had a fairly decent Mark Wilson clone working in Houston, and another fellow who was a clone of the first clone. (that was WEIRD!) And we had two guys who were Doug Henning clones.

People saw right through all of this. Out of the four, only one is a successful magician. He became successful when he started doing his own material. He quit trying to be Mark Wilson.

Maybe you figure the public will never know. You are wrong. DEAD wrong. I still run into laypeople who remember the Great Wall of China special.

If I were you, I wouldn't even do the Vanishing Bandana. There are HUNDREDS of kid show magicians doing it now. If you are planning to be an illusionist, and people see you doing the same stuff that the guy who did their kid's birthday party does, they will think you yentzed them out of their ticket money.
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On 2008-08-06 08:53, Mylamber wrote:
(oh, and about contacting DC's people, I was just going to go to the website and email/contact them.)


No offense man, but if anyone actually reads it, they'll just laugh their ass off. David Copperfield is not a man, it's an enterprise. This would be like calling McDonald's and asking if you can use their old-time "Hi, I'm Speedy" logo for your little hamburger joint. Yeah, they don't use it anymore, but it's something that their brand was built on.
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Dear Bill,

I was told a different story from a very reliable source several years ago. David apparently called Tom asking him for permission and when Tom said he'd rather wait a little more (he was about to be booked with the routine on tv) David said he'd do it anyway...

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D
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Well, hang on though -

(1) IF the routine is really great, and

(2) IF the performer who made it famous is no longer doing it,

Why not?

I never got to see Del Ray's act. And now I never will be able to. Not me, nor all the people who would be thrilled and enthralled by it (I've read a few descriptions). That act will never be performed again. How does that make the world a better place?

Hofzinser, in his will, asked that all his props and notebooks be destroyed. His widow did not obey his wishes. Was that a bad thing?
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Why not? Because it's not yours. If that's not enough of a reason I don't know what is.
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AMEN!! Pepka. Thank You! That is exactly right. It is NOT yours to take or use or "borrow". Take the time to get up off your butt and get woprking. Being creative is not something that is handed to you on a silver platter. No one comeds to your door and gives you creativity. You must work at it and test it and try it out and keep working on it. But like any good thing, you get better with it over time the more you do it. My audiences deserve me to do my best. They deserve me to try better then copying someone else. I do not grow in magic unless I strive to be original, unique and creative as I can be. It grows my magic and it also grows our artform.

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Only a magician could want a purse to stick a banana in and not be considered gay.
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R. Dunn: I know you are trying to be funny and such, however, I do not find it all that amusing to be making fun of gay people in the process. It is only my take on it but I think we need to be a bit more mature then that.

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Well said Kyle
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Thanks Eman. I just do not have much tolerance for folks who try and bash people for a laugh simply based on race, culture or sexual preference. I think we need and can be more mature then that and still get a laugh without having to go that route. Just my personal feeling is all and some of that stems from the way I was brought up.

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I totally agree. However, someone that wears a bright red jacket is WIDE open for any and all jokes. ;-)
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Pepka: um yeah you do have a point. hehehe But then I could never strive to be as cool and suave as you my friend so the red jacket was a way of at least making people see me even it it does cause them to go blind. =)

PS: Pepka I love your avatar text. hehehe Nice. Hope to see you at Kutztown. It is shaping up to be KILLER this year.

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Kyle,
As of now that date is open. As long as nothing pops up, I'll be there. I love Finney and Regal, so it should be good. We'll have to put aside a lil time for sessioning. (You think you can help me find that Jacket in a 56 regular?)
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I think people are too sensitive. If a gay joke is funny, it's funny. Telling a gay joke, or a cultural joke, or whatever is NOT necessarily bashing. If it's funny, it's funny ... geez, get a life, you guys. Kyle, are you gonna go after Hobson, too?
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Pepka: Look forward to it. I will see what I can do about the jacket. Maybe I can stretch mine. lol

Star: I am sorry but I just do not consider, making fun of gay people or anyone's sexual preference to be funny. I just don't. It is my own personal opinion is all and how I was brought up. I just do not think it is needed to get a quick laugh. Once again this is just my opinion. I do not want this thread to go off topic so I will just leave it at that.

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David:

I realize you made a posting to Bill Palmer, but I'd like to respond to it. Your story is 100% accurate according to my source, and I'd bet my life on my source.
What I also heard is that when Tom told David "No," David said he was going to do it anyway. At that time David didn't know that Tom didn't invent the trick or routine. That came after the fact. Off record, I'm sure Tom will tell you the same story.

Whereas I think David is pretty good now about legally acquiring the rights to certain tricks and not stepping on magician's toes, a few years back I didn't think that was the case. On more than one occasion I heard and saw some things that made me say, "Hey, wait a minute...."
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I will state that Bill Palmer is right on the money. I was so pleased to have worked with Bill when I was trying to come up with research and information for a friends product on the vanishing Banadana. Bill was gracious to help us both out and to get the facts straight. Thanks Bill.

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