So I was wondering if anyone knew any kinds of legends that they might have heard somewhere about anyone in terms of poker cheating. for example: how scarne was famous for cutting the aces from notorious gangsters own shuffled decks.
or how forte could watch someone shuffle a deck and then tell them what cards they had by using shuffle tracking.

does anyone else know any legends, tales, or myths like this?

Nothing? no one has any tales of any card cheats doing something they were known for best?

Allen kennedy, Dad Stevens, Walter Scott maybe?



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That's not what I meant. I meant like.. what these people are known for. like something that seems impossible or like.. it's a closely guarded secret. something like the examples I gave in the first post.

anything like that from them?

Where did you hear that about forte?

There was a magazine article written a while back wherein the author had a phone conversation with the man himself. He was asked to shuffle a new deck of cards, and Forte supposedly told him the identity of some of the cards over the phone; I don't remember if they were dealt in hands or what the exact procedure was.

Maybe Dad Stevens and his cull qualify?

I think I read the forte thing on here. but that's pretty interesting to know about the phone call thing!

sure, any stories are welcome. tell me about the cull.

Perhaps of interest, although it's for real...

Columbus, Ohio

Church-festival card cheater gets 6 months
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 2:39 PM


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Tom Dodge |Dispatch

A deputy sheriff escorts Roland Chapa to jail.An admitted gambler was sent directly from a Franklin County courtroom to jail today for cheating at a church festival last summer.

His two grown daughters, not expecting the six-month sentence, ran screaming from the courtroom.

Roland "Rico" Chapa, 68, was found guilty in June of felony cheating and possession of a criminal tool: the king of diamonds that kept showing up in his hand at the St. Timothy Church fundraiser in July 2007.

Common Pleas Judge Richard S. Sheward suspended a 22-month prison sentence and instead imposed the jail time, plus three years on probation and a fine of $5,000. Sheward said he was open to the idea of the fine being donated to St. Timothy.

"I apologize to the Catholic church if I've done anything wrong," said Chapa, a used-car dealer dressed in a pinstriped suit.

Volunteer dealers at the church festival accused Chapa, who was drunk, of cheating at blackjack. One said a two of spades dropped from his slacks when he stood up.

Jurors found him guilty in less than 30 minutes after a two-day trial.

Jim

Blackjack at a church festival?

Z- got any info on this forte story? the over the phone thing? sounds like bs to me...

I never heard of this "phone story" but I believe what they're referring to is a 1995 Cigar Aficionado article written by Michael Konik called Taking Advantage in which Forte demonstrated shuffle tracking and various other advantage play techniques.

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_......,00.html

I cant get the link to work, but google steve forte and cigar, and you can find the actical.

Who told you people cheat at cards?

Haha. the little birdy that came out of my jacket sleeve with the ace of spades in it's beak

If memory serves right the a similar story about Forte is found in

"The Man With the $100,000 Breasts And Other Gambling Stories".

No phone in this story, he sat on a table with the author - or so the author claims.

Regards,

I think that's the one I heard about. I actually read it here on the Café somewhere. and I remembered that there was quite some detail to it because people had figured out how to do it.

Okay, so now we know that the almighty forte's powers do not extend over land lines...

Maybe a little tiny bit out of topic but there are cool texts on Cigar Aficionado archives. These ones for instance:

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_......,00.html
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_......,00.html
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_......,00.html

And many others...

AMcD,

Try http://www.tinyurl.com to make the links work...

It's bit old post but I think the secret legends are stvens, keneddy, scott and artanis but esoecially artanis and scott. (I didn't mention the true legends who are still alive because they might feel uncomfortable of being mentioned)