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Jimeuax Regular user 199 Posts |
Yeah, I think for just the mic---where did you find yours? THAT sounds like the place to go for sure!----I googled pro sound and ligting and got a place in Oregon, but I don't think it is the one you are talking about---------cheers!---Jimeuax
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kenscott Inner circle 1869 Posts |
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Jimeuax Regular user 199 Posts |
Thanks Ken!---I will check them out. You da man!------------Jimeuax
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Bill Wilson Special user 536 Posts |
OK, since my last posting. here is what's happened with my omni directional mic. Went back to the audio shop I bought the Countryman E6 from and he told me to play with the E.Q. on the mixer/amp as well as the volume on the receiver. I did. I also brought my P.A. system (Yamaha StagePAS 300) from downstairs in my house to upstairs to give the sound a bit more space. After tweeking and giving it the extra sound space, the Countryman E6 is now performing MUCH better. But I STILL have some feedback. I hate even the smallest feedback. Am now thinking one of two things will correct the problem. First, a larger room, other then my living room at home, might help. An actual banquet room might eliminate the feed back all together. Or, maybe I need the larger room in conjunction with a cardioid mic. After spending what I spent on the omni Countyrman I really don't want to go out and buy a cardioid, which is even more expensive. Any thoughts?
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Kevin Ridgeway V.I.P. Indianapolis, IN & Phoenix, AZ 1832 Posts |
Wandboy....a small room for sure is one of the issues. The other which I stated earlier is GO BUY an EQ and have someone teach you to use it. DO NOT rely on high, mid & low on your stagepass.
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Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie Special user Toronto, Canada 804 Posts |
As usual, I agree with Kevin. The "hi+lo" or "hi+mid+lo" on a mixer IS NOT designed for feedback reduction, and trying to use those controls for that purpose will cause more problems than they will fix. It's like using a lawn rake (or a snow shovel) to comb your hair.
Actually, given that it appears you don't want to go the only sure-fire route (a full-size headset), then a "feedback reducer" is your best bet. It will not make NEARLY as much difference as moving to a full-size headset, but will eliminate feedback in some, not all, situations.
Dan McLean Jr
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Jimeuax Regular user 199 Posts |
Hey Dan! What are the advantages of the Omni mics v.s. the Uni's?
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Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie Special user Toronto, Canada 804 Posts |
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On 2009-01-05 19:15, Jimeuax wrote: To start, here's an excerpt from my Web site: Each mic is designed with a particular “pickup pattern”. An “omni” (omni-directional) doesn’t care from which direction sound is originating. A “uni” (uni-directional) rejects sound from its sides and its rear. These design differences also impart a couple of important characteristics. Actually, the side & front rejection of a uni is mostly in the high frequencies. Another way of looking at that is that its sound changes dramatically at its sides and rear. The frequency response (which, for our purposes, equals sound quality) of a uni also changes as it moves away from your mouth. The sound of an omni is the same from all directions, and sound quality doesn’t really change as the mic moves farther from, or closer to, the mouth. At this point, if you’ve been reading along, you’re probably wondering why the heck anyone would ever use a uni! Well, since uni’s reject sound form their sides and rear, they are often chosen because they can reject the sound coming from the PA speakers, and therefore serve to reduce feedback. It gets much more involved than that, but sparing you any more science, the bottom line for use with a PA system is this. Handheld’s and headsets are always uni’s. Lavs can be either, but are more often omni’s. Earsets can also be either. Placement of an omni is not as important as with a uni. A uni/cardioid needs to be placed in exactly the same position every time, and that also means not moving it during performance, in any direction. If you move an omni a bit, in any direction, the volume will change very little, if it changes at all. Also, if you move an omni a bit, in any direction, it's sound quality will not change. Neither of these things is true with a uni/cardioid. Since an omni's frequency response is the same in any direction, and at any distance, there's proportinately much less change in its likelihood to feed back when turn your head. The same holds true for moving closer to, or further from, a speaker. Remember that, a uni only rejects what isn't directly in front of it, so, in the case of a tiny headset/earset mic, if you turn your head such that the mic is facing a speaker, all bets are off. If the mic is on your right cheek, it 's pointing across your mouth, toward your left side. If you turn your head 45-degrees to the left, chances are the mic is pointing into a speaker.
Dan McLean Jr
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Michael Taggert Special user Fredericksburg Virginia 656 Posts |
First off wandboy is doing something that more of use should do That is to rehears with amic on while at home. I agree that it is a great thing to do BUT the whole feed back issue is moot. You are rehearsing in your house. with that kind of a system in that small of a space you are going to get feedback. I have to ask If you need the volume up very loud for your rehearsals. I am inclined to say that Unless you are in a full blown gotta have it rehearsal. it might be ok to just turn the volume down overall. Do You have access to a hall? if so go there and rehearse full on. I have even put my mic on and rehearsed with out the mic on just to keep the feedback down. I have confidence in my equipments capabilities. you have a good reliable system but it is a little much for you rehearsal space.
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Jimeuax Regular user 199 Posts |
One of my friends, who is a well-known pro magician/vent uses this mic and much prefers it to the E6 although he has friends who swear by them. My experience has been with LOUD rock bands with stage monitors blasting me in the face, so I have very little experience with spoken voice applications. I thought is would be the same deal, obviously it is not. I am glad to get the info. so as to avoid a costly mistake. cheers!---JIMO p.s. This is a headset style but without the large wind screen/ pop filter so it is bigger than an E6 but still not like a Garth Brooks look. It is omni directional but he reports never having feedback problems with it. I tried to add a picture but it wouldn't add it.
The Shure WBH53 is a powerful and discreet head band condenser mic for use with wireless transmitters! The Shure WBH53 is a discreet headband microphone that combines full and clear sound, maximum wearing comfort, and the proper cable connectors for easy interface to a wide variety of Shure wireless transmitters. Like the Beta 53, the XLR version, the WBH53 is equipped with a tiny omnidirectional condenser element with interchangeable frequency response caps (mild or high), and a lightweight, adjustable, corrosion-resistant wire frame headband. The boom element is also adjustable, and can be placed on either the left or right side. Additionally, an in-line preamplifier is included for easy interface to external phantom power sources. |
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Dan McLean Jr aka, Magic Roadie Special user Toronto, Canada 804 Posts |
When I talk about a "full-size headset" and a "tiny headset/earset", the Shure Beta-53 falls in the latter catagory. This is because it has a very small "element" (the part that picks up the sound) and points acoss the wearer's mouth, whereas a full-size heaset has a larger element and points into the mouth.
Shure's tiny headsets are Beta-53 and WCE6/WCE6i (made by Countryman, and the same as E6 models). Shure's full-size models are Beta-54 , WH30 & WH20. A tiny headset uses a lav element, that has been rigged for placement just behind the corner of the mouth, and across the mouth. A full-size headset uses a different type of element that is usually designed to sit in front of the mouth, and always points into the mouth. The gain-before-feedback of a good, tiny headset is vastly inferior to that of a good, full-size headset. The classic "Madonna mic", made famous on Madonna, Garth Brooks, Britney Spears, Janet Jackson, and so on, is the Crown CM-311. Its gain-before-feedback is almost legendary. Other popular Madonna-style mics are the Shure Beta-54, and the AKG C-420. The most popular tiny headsets are the DPA 4065/4066/4067, and the Countryman E6 & E6i.
Dan McLean Jr
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Jimeuax Regular user 199 Posts |
Thanks for the info! cheers!--- Jimeuax
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jcss New user 97 Posts |
I have had many models over the years and now use a model 20 usd and I will be great.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Dan's comments on this thread are the most accurate and unbiased I've read at the Café regarding which type/size of mic to buy.
There are always trade-offs. with this in mind, I've opted for a cheap, visible, hyper-cardiod Sennheiser headset mic for these reasons: 1. larger and visible mic but the feedback is nil even in the worst of situations (hi volume PA and perofrming in front of dj speakers) 2. loud and incredible gain-before-feedback and cheap 3. I eventually realized that nobody will ever remember that I wore a headset and even if they did, I do not care 4. The quick setup, ease-of-use and utter universal and surefire compatibility with borrowed equipment (I usually use the PA the house provides) I have an invisible earset that is nice that I always bring but have not used it in years. I reach for what I know will always work.
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gothike Elite user 463 Posts |
Guys,
Another factor is having a better analog mixer. The Yamaha Stagepas, Fender Passport or the smaller all in one units have a limited mixer. I use a Yamaha Stagepas for smaller shows but if its a high pay corporate show I bring out a non powered mixer. Better mixers, have better quality inputs with less noise, a middle level sweep, high, low adjustments and gain. Better EQ, preamps and aux. Smaller mixers from all in one units are typically preset for Mid and Gain. Little adjustment beside high and low and if you lucky a mid. Smaller headset mics need the proper gain adjustment and proper mid settings. Then you can also adjust the HPF, high pass filter to eliminate poofs and mic handlings. HPF,"100Hz high-pass filter, an invaluable tool for cleaning up the mix. The majority of live sound sources have very little content below 100Hz, and modern microphones have wide frequency response and can pick up bleed from nearby low frequency sources. The filter can be used: on vocal channels to reduce mic handling noise and close proximity ‘popping’; bass pick up; on higher frequency instruments such as flute and acoustic guitar; and on stage mics to reduce foot noise". Here is a Youtube video from some British guy explaining GAIN, will help to understand it, since your setting a mic to a gain before it feedbacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcUgggdxLPM I personally use a Allen & Heath 60Zed 10X, (awesome features and built like a tank). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A446kjocnCg This is what I own, plus it gets great reviews from forums like gearslut.com, ie. I am not going to review the smaller mixer from Stagecraft, Yamaha or Mackie so go Google them
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Bairefoot Inner circle 1097 Posts |
Countryman a great headset. I use it with my wireless Alto speakers. It sounds and works great.
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charliecheckers Inner circle 1969 Posts |
Dan McLean Jr offers outstanding advice in this thread. Re-reading the posts from this thread made me think that a lecture at a convention on sound would be very valuable. It would be interesting to see an expert demo and provide live examples of differences in equipment. Perhaps these lectures already exist at magic conventions, but not the ones I have attended.
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