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MickeyPainless
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Julianna,

Check out my friend broccoli from Japan, I think all of his stuff is to music only!
http://www.youtube.com/user/kienboss
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Here is an award winning actdone silently to music: Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk-R6BbsxiY&feature=related
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On 2008-08-13 19:36, Michaelmagicart wrote:
Garcia00 and Open Traveller

I believe you both owe this young lady an apology for your rhetorical comments which have nothing to do with "Brand new and don't have a clue", which is the topic of this thread.

Enough said.


I believe advising a newcomer as to the best learning medium/method has something to do with this thread's topic. I will apoligize, however, for the bickering.
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Hey Mickey and Michael, those videos are awesome. Don't know where the coin came from, but that was incredible. Sounded like classical music of some kind, which was nice and soft. I guess regular type pop music, or whatever, wouldn't be good, huh!

garcia- don't worry about it, me and my friends argue sometimes to. Mostly about boys though! LOL

This is a (Thanks) to everyone here helping me. Keep it coming, I can use it all.

jewels


I've noticed that it's easier to pull off one card at a time when you get to the end, meaning shuffling a card from the bottom to the top.

Getting easier!

jp



So my uncle still won't tell me why he wants me to memorize these 10 cards. He said it should be easy for me since I was really good at the game Concentration when I was younger.

Does anyone know the game Concentration?

I think I have the order now.

Looks like I'm all alone on this board! Doesn't anyone have anything to say?

Lonley Julianna
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What ten cards are they?
Open Traveller
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The Jack of Spades through the Ace of Clubs, maybe?
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Oh, thanks Jaz-

Uuummm- jack of spades, king of clubs, 5 of clubs, 2 of hearts, 9 of spades, ace of spades, 3 of hearts, 6 of clubs, 8 of diamonds, ace of clubs.

That is the order.

jp


Yeah traveller, how did you know?

This is scary.


OMG traveler- get out of my head.


You just creeped me out!

I'm outta here.

jp
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Yes, I'm that good.
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Ms Jewels,
I think you can do magic to just about any tune so just think of how you want it to be presented! There is a young woman that has some great vids up on YouTube where she mixes magic, music and dance and as I recall, nary a word is spoken! I can't remember her full name but I think her first is Angela so maybe someone else can hook ya up with a site!

Mick
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Juliana,
Your uncle is assisting you to learn something that most magicians run away from. They think it will be too hard, so they never start the process. I don't want to spoil what your uncle is trying to do, but I will encourage to keep going. You will appreciate his efforts once completed.
I am starting the same learning process, and recognise (as did Traveler) the sequence of cards that your uncle has given you. Keep working on RRTCM, while you learn the sequence from your uncle.
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edh, you say there are DVD's to see magic? Would it be good for me to see how other people do the tricks?


Juliana,

Welcome to the world of magic!

I really don't want to start a big debate as the books versus DVD debate will rage on forever. However, I completely disagree that books are the best method for a beginner and so it doesn't hurt to hear another opinion. especially since you say you're a visual learner.

Books are great, especially Royal Road. However, you will learn MUCH faster and with far less frustration with a good introductory card magic DVD. Then go back to Royal Road as a great reference.

I would suggest Born to Perform Card Magic by Oz Perlman DVD. It covers many of the basic card sleights in great detail. It starts with how to hold the deck and progresses through many sleights, cuts, flourishes, forces, passes and more. The teaching is really good and Perlman teaches four very, very good routines. If you spend a month or two working through the DVD, you'll have a great foundation for card magic started.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=618

A good DVD will show you the subtle details like angles, timing and real magicians performing for other real people with real reactions. You get to hear the actual patter in the modern English language. You get to see what the trick really looks like under performance conditions. It is very hard to see and hear those things from a book.

You'll be performing much faster and much better starting with DVDs and supplementing your learning with books. Plus you won't go crazy trying to keep Royal Road open as you try to translate a move from the book to your hands!
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Julianna,

If you're going to get a DVD, make sure it's because you know you need it. It's an expensive way to learn, and it's very tempting to copy how the magicians are performing something.

I've had the luxury of reading a lot of books and watching a lot of DVDs, but that book you've got right now is the same book I keep coming back to. You're off to a good start, I'd stay with it until you're positive that there's something you need from another source. If you don't know right now, then don't change a thing until you do know.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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DVDs are a great way of learning, especially when it comes to the basic sleights. However, f you decided to go through it end-to-end in one go (which is not a good idea) you can run through a DVD in an hour or two, whereas reading and working with a book covering the same material will still take days. This means you are tempted to advance faster and may not pay the same amount of detail to learning the subtle details that make the sleights practically undetectable. I think this is why many people recommend using books instead of DVDs, or at least combining the two media. For me, learning from a book, and then polishing the details with a DVD works well, YMMV. Just something to keep in mind if you decide to get some DVDs one day.

As for doing magic to music, there was a guy posting a few videos here, where he did card tricks matching the lyrics of songs: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=41

Gary Ouellet did a dream of aces to music, searching here on the Café should bring up more information. David Copperfield later did grandfather aces, also worth a look. You can find both on youtube for sure. Don't fall for the temptation of watching videos there that teach how tricks are done. Almost all of them are teaching the tricks very poorly, and you will be performing a very inferior version if you learn something from youtube.

As you get more into magic you will notice that magicians have a very deep respect for eachother, especially when it comes to who invented what, and giving proper credit for those inventions. This, plus the issue of exposing secrets to the public, is what most magicians dislike strongly about youtube.

Apart from technique, both mechanics and presentational, there is a lot of 'culture' to be learned when it comes to magic. This may seem less appealing to you in the beginning, but as you get more involved, you will probably learn to appreciate it.

Oh, the 10 cards your uncle gave you are just the beginning. Eventually you will be able to perform some truly amazing effects with this principle, where the only possible explanation really does seem impossible to the audience. What he is teaching you is a very strong principle that can literally accomplish hundreds of tricks, not just one trick. I agree with others, your uncle is a very cool guy, and you can trust him to give you a rock solid education in card magic.

Michael
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Welcome Juliana,

Lots of good advice here, pick what works for you. And once you've got the ten cards memorized, you can freak out your uncle by telling him you're ready for the ten of spades and the five of hearts.
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Juliana:

PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you some material and suggestions.

Steven Youell
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Traveler--You owe me an apology-

For what, you might ask!

For keeping me up all night, thanks a lot.

I wasn't gonna come back, but I admit, my curiosity got the best of me, and I couldn't stay away.

So now I'm back

But Traveler, you still owe me.

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May I respectfully tender my apology. What your uncle is teaching you is a standard order known to many magicians. If you keep with it and learn it inside and out -- not just the order of the cards, but where every card in the order lies to where you can instantly visualize it as well as you can the alphabet -- you'll be ahead of 90% of the magicians out there.

Good luck.
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On 2008-08-15 00:43, Andrew Musgrave wrote:
Julianna,

If you're going to get a DVD, make sure it's because you know you need it. It's an expensive way to learn, and it's very tempting to copy how the magicians are performing something.

I am not so sure it is that much more expensive than books. What does the Daryl Card series cost in comparison to "Card College"? Being able to pop the disk in my portable and have Daryl show me exactly how he does a given move, is priceless.

However, if you go with single trick disks it can get expensive.
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On 2008-08-15 00:43, Andrew Musgrave wrote:
Julianna,

If you're going to get a DVD, make sure it's because you know you need it. It's an expensive way to learn, and it's very tempting to copy how the magicians are performing something.

I am not so sure it is that much more expensive than books. What does the Daryl Card series cost in comparison to "Card College"? Being able to pop the disk in my portable and have Daryl show me exactly how he does a given move, is priceless.

However, if you go with single trick disks it can get expensive.

I see what you're saying, and if you're in a situation where you know what you need (be it book, DVD, workshop, etc.) then of course you spend what you have to spend. That said, in general, DVDs in general are an expensive mode of learning, and it's easy to get out of hand.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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Please, everyone, let's beat the dead horse in a different thread, shall we?

Julianna, your best bet is to listen to your uncle. He isn't steering you wrong so far, and he has your best interest at heart. Once you have the basics down you will be drawn to books, or DVD, or magazines, or perhaps to seek out other magicians and learn directly from them. Regardless of how you learn, none of us become masters in a week or two. Enjoy the trip and don't let others steer you where you don't want to go.
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