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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts |
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On 2008-08-19 21:07, magicbob116 wrote: His line should have been: "Well dangit , that's the last illusion I EVER borrow from Valentino !" |
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magicdoctor Veteran user Wi. 377 Posts |
WOW
Michael Von Schroeder [url]www.vonmagic.com[/url]
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reynold Elite user Puerto Rico 490 Posts |
Magicbob and Blinky: You can say that now while reasoning and thinking things over. But when that kind of things happens and you are on the spot on National TV and they interview you right away, you try to do the best you can.
Thanks, Reynold |
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magicbob116 Inner circle 1522 Posts |
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On 2008-08-19 22:08, reynold wrote: Yes, but a professional entertainer whose line of work is misdirection and deception ought to be able to do a better job covering his mistakes.
B. Robert Pulver
The "I Hate Card Tricks!" Book of Card Tricks Vol. 1, 2, and 3 Kards for Kids Sticky Situations Sleightly Wacky http://www.magicnook.com/magicbob |
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SeanScottMagic Veteran user 325 Posts |
Update;
http://www.davidmartinrocks.com is down. The last change was on the main page, a new photo with his assistants. I guess it's now time to update the resume. Boy, perhaps now we will see a new website and a new name we don't recognize... Sean
http://WWW.THEARTOFSEANSCOTT.COM
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jasanchez Regular user 153 Posts |
Wow I cant believe this guy
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haywire Special user Philadelphia 760 Posts |
Yes his website was taken down, but what he fails to realize is that snapshots of his website will remain in googles cache for a very long time. You can still view the whole website from the cache. Just go to google, copy any of these links and paste in googles search box. click "cache" when the result comes up. Again, clicking the link won't work, you need to copy the shortcut, paste it into google, click search then click cache.
http://www.davidmartinrocks.com/Tour.html http://www.davidmartinrocks.com/bio/index.html http://www.davidmartinrocks.com/DavidMar......dex.html http://www.davidmartinrocks.com/showdetails/index.html http://www.davidmartinrocks.com/contact.html http://www.davidmartinrocks.com/CelebrityGallery/index.html From his pictures section, you can see pictures of the lion that escaped from his basement that had to be shot and killed by authorities. that's very sad, I felt horrible seeing a picture of this grand majestic animal, looking sad and malnourished and knowing it was later shot and killed by police. Very sad. You know it also strikes me as COLD... This guy of course knows that this lion was shot and killed by the police, yet he still chose to put a picture of it up on his "new website" to show potential clients he had a lion. If your neglect and abandonment of this animal caused it to be shot and killed, would you still have the balls to PUT ITS PICTURE UP ON YOUR WEBSITE? This action alone speaks volumes about this guy and his total lack of ethics. I think someone should preserve this guys statements on his website so that in the future he won't be able to deny making this website with all of its claims of master magician training and all of that stuff. At least he could be liable for fraud if those statements can be proven false. We all make mistakes. Getting 9 tigers, a lion, a lama and other large animals and then neglecting them,not feeding them properly,and later abandoning them and leaving them with his unemployed fiancee who knew nothing about large cats, that's just dead wrong and unforgivable. How did a guy with no real job and no steady show think he could afford to even feed all these big cats? Tigers eat between 20-40lbs of meat per day. lets say each would eat 30lbs of meat that's 300lbs meat for 9 tigers and a lion. He abandonded them with an unemployed woman. How did he expect her to afford 300lbs of meat a day to feed them with no job? I remember Rick Thomas once told me his vet bill for one tiger alone is 15k a year, and that's if it has no major problems. If the tiger gets sick, the bill goes up fast. that's a 150,000$ a year vet bill Mr. "MARTIN" should have expected. A guy with no job and no steady show, that's just crazy. He had to know all this going into it, but apparently did not care. I'm pretty sure some guys with huge vegas shows don't use 9 tigers and a lion in their show, so what was he thinking? I guess he really wasn't. He put his desire for fame ahead of the best interests of 10 beautiful big cats. I can forgive his bad night on AGT, we all make mistakes or have a bad night, but I can not forgive him leaving 10 large cats alone with an unemployed woman who knew nothing about their care. He left them alone to starve to death to go to florida for photo opurtunities with a baby tiger. He had a chance to go to court and save his animals or defend himself but he didn't even care enough to show up. On the whole, every magician I meet is a pretty good person, especially when it comes to the care of their animals. Its very unfortunate however, that there are also people like this among us. Makes me so sad to think of this guys poor animals and how they all suffered for his dreams of fame. Steven |
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haywire Special user Philadelphia 760 Posts |
Looks like most of his website was files not text, and he has managed to pretty much wipe out his website out, even from the google cache by republishing pretty much blank pages, he must have just done this tonight because earlier today you could still see most of the site from the google cache. Republishing the pages and backdating them can screw the snapshots of the formerly published pages.
I think it would be a good idea for someone to Email Jeff McBride, Rocco and Tony Clark and get their side of the story from the claims in his biography. I also take offense to his claim of being the first magician in history to perform with a live band, people have been doing that for ages, that's ridiculous. As far as using a ROCK band, I've been doing that for more than 10 years and I have the friends in magic as witnesses and videos to prove it. Mr. Martin is 33 years old. If his claim of doing that for 25 years is correct, that means he did his first illusion show with a live rock band backing him up when he was just 8 years old. This alone proves he is nothing but a pathetic lier. I've done magic and illusions to a live rock band backing backing me for more than 10 years. (In Reality not just in my imagination!) As far as I know, I was the first person in magic history to do that, not Mr. "Martin" but I never boasted about it or claimed I was a genius for doing so. I never even thought to make such ridiculous claims. I guess I don't need to stroke my own ego, or try to impress people with bragging. Here is the BIO from his now deleted website BIO page, I promise you this is exactly as it appeared on his website, I was pretty sure he would delete his website so I copied to a text file 2 days ago : =================================================================================== David Martin Experiencing Master Illusionist David Martin is a total emotional immersion into a new era of magical artistry that will shatter your images of traditional magic and those who perform it. There is nothing about David Martin that is traditional. From his appearance to the staging of his theatrical magic, David Martin is Cutting Edge and is Magic's Newest Star. David was influenced by magic at the early age of 5 by many famous magicians including Jeff McBride, Houdini, Doug Henning, Siegfried & Roy, and by Master Illusionist David Copperfield. David has also been inspired by musical artists such as Jon Bon Jovi, Aerosmith, Prince, U2, Motley Crue, and by the theatrics of the rock band Kiss. David Martin has been performing his magic for 25 years throughout the country, and he is an extraordinary Illusionist. What he has done to take magic into the new millennium is to choreograph original music, with magic featuring a live band being the first Illusion Production in the history of magic to do such a concept. This is David’s trademark for 25 years. The music is the moving force behind these original magic spectacles of David Martin’s new breed of cutting edge magic. David, appearing all over the entire country, has performed for audiences of all ages, to sell out concerts and tours. Mr. David Martin has appeared on several television shows, as well as radio programs, opened for 400 national music acts in the last decade. David has also performed at major theatres, colleges, fairs, festivals, corporations, night clubs, tradeshows, casinos and much more. David also features exotic animals in his shows such as pumas, spotted leopards, black panthers, white tigers, Bengal tigers orange and black, lions, ducks, snakes, doves, elephants, and much more. Ask for availability and prices on these shows. Picture sessions are also available with the animals, and stage illusions are featured around the animals creating a Las Vegas style production with Hot Dancers. Fully insured & licensed. David has studied with World Famous Illusionist Criss Angel for 2 years as a teenager. They have maintained a great friendship over the following years. He has also studied with World Champion Illusionist Tony Clark who resides in Hollywood, CA. David is currently studying with World Champion Master Magician Rocco Silano. Mr. Martin has also studied with World Champion Illusionist Jeff McBride, most recently in Master Class, and is also a friend of David's for many years. David most recently filmed a Master Teaching series with The International Magicians Society. This is a world wide magic organization that teaches magic to professionals. This is also the largest magic group in the world with over 39,000 members & growing. In conclusion, Tony Hassini, President of The International Magicians Society, is Magic's biggest show Producer & Director. Tony will also be consulting with David Martin in upcoming magic shows for the New Year. To learn more about IMS visit their web site at http://www.magicims.com Arcangel Productions Inc. Presents David Martin's Show Packages: MYSTIQUE "A Rock Magic Odyssey" Starring Rock Illusionist David Martin Magic that Rocks. Cutting Edge Illusions, Hot Dancers, Pyrotechnics, and much more. The Show features music by National Recording Artist LivinTrust from ONE6ONE Records. http://www.myspace.com/LivinTrust05 They are music partners with David Martin's New show MYSTIQUE. This show will leave you astonished. (Fully Insured Show) HYPNOTICA "A Rock Magic Fantasy" Starring David Martin "Magic's Newest Star" A Las Vegas Revue featuring music by National Recording Artist Jaded. (All Female Rock Band.) http://www.JadedRockers.com A Hot music & illusion show that will leave you breathless. Fully Insured Show: MINDTRIP- David Martin's Solo Illusion Show (Close-up intimate miracles) that will blow your mind. Fully Insured Show. BEYOND IMAGINATION David Martin's Brand New Cabaret Illusion Show That will leave you wanting more! Fully Insured Show. ALTERED REALITY "A Trip Of The Mind Into The Unknown-Starring David Martin "Magic's Newest Star" Featuring cutting-Edge Illusions, Hot dancers, live music This is a Pop/Rock magic show blow-out that is sure to entertain young people to adults of all ages. (Fully Insured Show) =================================================================================== Wow we are witnessing the birth of magic's "newest star"! Amazing! Steven |
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Chezaday Inner circle Naperville, IL 1673 Posts |
Looks like someone has gone a little "haywire" digging up dirt on David Martin.
Of course its hard to defend someone with all that in your past. We don't know the whole story but, it is very sad any way you look at it. Not too long ago there was a wild cougar loose in Chicago. Police shot it dead multiple times. To make matters worse, the poor beast was plastered all over the newspapers .. dead. An overreaction on the part of the police .. another senseless killing. It does get my blood boiling when I hear of these stories ... Steve |
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videokideo Special user 895 Posts |
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On 2008-08-19 21:04, reynold wrote: No, you simply say "the illusion didn't go as planned. Like any stage performance in any theatrical field, mistakes happen and you learn from them." You don't go into explaining black art and crap... that's just stupid. After seeing how bad he looks lying, youd still follow his footsteps... horrible! You have to be a complete moron to think the judges didn't recognize the errors made.. much less people watching at home. But hey, its your credibility. There isn't a lie that could have covered this issue. If there is, id like to hear it. Cant believe some are saying theyd do the same as him after seeing the video. Blows my mind. |
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reynold Elite user Puerto Rico 490 Posts |
VideoKideo: I would have NEVER admit something went wrong unless is publicity stunt like Criss Angel does all the time. Regarding the acting it could have been better, the curve ball thing was a bit too much but he did good in not accepting any mistake.
Thanks, reynold |
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Doruk Ãœlgen Elite user 466 Posts |
Well he did good in not accepting any mistake I agree with reynold on that but everything else I have seen is wrong
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John Martin Inner circle 1017 Posts |
NOT admitting "something" went wrong made him look all the more ridiculous. It was very plain to see, even by laymen, even before the blind opened, that someone was flailing around behind the black curtain. When asked if the illusion went wrong,I think a genuine smile followed by "Some days the magic doesn't happen!!" would have been sufficient.
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Jack Murray Special user St. Petersburg Fl. 773 Posts |
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On 2008-08-20 13:10, John1964 wrote: Couldn't agree more!!!!!!! Jack
Jack Murray
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Doruk Ãœlgen Elite user 466 Posts |
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On 2008-08-20 13:10, John1964 wrote: Well I agree that too It depends on the personality, I generally admit and make a laugh out of it. But this guy looks to cool to accept a mistake so that's the way he should have replied. It made worse or not,I think he didn't had a choice. |
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Irish_matt Loyal user St.Louis, MO 204 Posts |
It's been said on here before that the producers on AGT have an agreement not to expose any magic. David Martin wasn't even performing to an audience... just the three judges. surely he knew that his performance was in no way good enough to move him forward.. especially after barely making it through the previous round. Had he owned up to a technical miscue, thanked them for the second chance and said.. yes.. magic had been exposed... there would have been nothing broadcast it would have been had this not even happened.
Our arrogant Mr Martin however in saying that it went perfect allowed the producers to say "thank you", that just made the !@#$ up reel and will be broadcast.. thus spoiling the trick for the 12-13 other props out there and the people that shelled out the $15K to own one. |
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Christopher Starr Inner circle Heart of America 1850 Posts |
It occurs to me that we would be taking David Martin to task here regardless of how he responded to the judges questions. By that point, there is nothing that he could have said to make up for the poor performance - be it the truth, a lie or total silence. The damage was done.
So while that fact that he lied so boldly to the camera, not once but twice, did not continue to bother me. There was no effective response to be made that was going to salvage the damage. AGT was still going to air the wreckage. My 2¢ Chris |
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Illusionist11 Loyal user 220 Posts |
That's right...with that bad of a mess up, theres no way AGT wouldn't have aired it..it just comes down to he should've practiced more.
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SeanScottMagic Veteran user 325 Posts |
I would like to see the cattle call contract where it states AGT does not expose magic. Even if it does, it does't mean anything. Martin exposed it, AGT didn't. If anyone wants to prove conclusively that AGT doesn't possibly expose magic, then show me the part in the contract where it says we will not air exposed magic. Check the link in my earlier posts to watch another "mistake" on Britian's AGT. If anyone thinks that is a mistake, then you are in the wrong business.
Sean
http://WWW.THEARTOFSEANSCOTT.COM
AVAILABLE EFFECTS: ROAMING RISE RENDER MODOSU FACTORY LINE BANDARIZUMU KI MXL |
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Dixie Loyal user 219 Posts |
Hey fellow magicians,
don´t you realise that dear Mr. Martin gets exactly what he needs from all of us? It is ATTENTION of an audience and we are his audience right now, dicussing him bck and forth. Aren´t there more interesting things to spend time than a bad magician ? (Just my personal opinion) |
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